MSI P43 NEO-F, Q9400, GSkills 4GB DDR2-1066 unstable... help!

Just built a new system with the following hardware:
CPU: Intel Quad Core Q9400 (stock: 2.66Ghz 1333Mhz FSB) (running @: 3.2Ghz 1600Mhz FSB)
Motherboard: MSI P43 Neo F (1.A or 1.10 BIOS)
Memory: G Skills 2x2GB DDR 1066 5-5-5-15 (F2-8500CL5-2GBPK) (running @ 800 2.1v only, not stable at 1066 2.1v)
Video Card: MSI ATI R4870
PSU: OCZ GameXStream, OCZGXS700 7OO watts, 4x +12V@18A outputs
Cooling heatsinks are all stock, but air flow is good with the new TT case.
Current voltage settings:
CPU Voltage: 1.335V
CPU GTL REF0: Auto
CPU GTL REF1: Auto
DRAM Voltage: 2.1V
MCH or NB Voltage: 1.328V
VTT FSB Voltage: 1.2V
MCH GTL REF Voltage: Auto
ICH or SB Voltage: 1.5
Does anyone have the similar setup or any idea why I can't get the system running at 3.2GHz @ 1600FSB and 4GB @1066MHz ?
I've ran multiple tests with PRIME95 and Memtest64, and was unsuccessful.
System actually got through Prime95's small and large FFT test OK, but failed the Blend test. So I'm leaning towards the memory.
But I got LOTS of errors from Memtest86, while memory set at 1066 @ 5-5-5-15 2.1V
What voltage should I be tweaking the CPU, NB and SB to get the RAM to pass Memtest?
I'm not asking much, but it seems these overclocked DDR2-800 RAM aren't that stable at 1066 without tweaking other components. B/C the system definitely wasn't stable with CPU/FSB @ stock speed and RAM set at 5-5-5-15, 1066, 2.1V
Don't know why they call it DDR2-1066 when it only runs stable at DDR2-800...
Any advice would help,
Thanks

Quote from: Jack t.N. on 09-November-09, 05:12:28
The P45 Memory controller natively supports only DDR2-667 and DDR2-800 modules. From the point of view of the chipset, DDR2-1066 is beyond specifications. Also, your memory modules are just DDR2-800 sticks with a permission to overclock, not native DDR2-1066 modules, built to work @1.8V.
This double overclocking makes a stable system @DDR2-1066 somewhat of a hit & miss situation.
Do you have options to tweak the DDR Reference Voltage Values in BIOS?
Nope, I didn't find a DDR Ref Voltage value.
Hmm , I thought the MSI specs posted would mean the chipsets and mainboard can sustain double overclocking...
Cause the memory module report on the MSI website actually has my memory set, and results were OK when operating at DDR2-1066.
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodtestreport&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=170&cat3_no=&prod_no=1484
I wonder what settings they used...

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After messing about quite a bit with this board with various CPU's and Memory, reading comments by other users and OC'ers on other boards, it seems I've come to the bottom of the problem with my Memory / CPU issue's on my board.
First once again: the used hardware
Board:MSI 7519 V1.0 P43 Neo-F mainboard
CPU: Intel E6550 / E6600
Cooler: Scythe Mine rev. B, stock fan (100mm @ 1500rpm)
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2x 512mb Hynix 667mhz cl4 OEM memory (not a kit)
Graphics card: MSI X1550, MSI 9600GT 512 OC
PSU: LC power 650W ATX 2.02 PSU / Raptox 550W ATX 2.01 PSU
OS: Windows Vista SP1 x64 UK
I've tried BIOS 1.3 and 1.6 (final versions only)
Memory shows to be in "asymetric dual channel mode" in every piece of software you trow at it. However, preformance is good.
Both Jumpers have been removed from the board, setting it to "333-400 mhz mode".
CE1, Spread spectrum, Speedstep and "OC boost modes" are disabled.
Memory is on auto (which results in 5-5-5-15) at 2.1V
MCP voltage is on 1.100 (since I don't want it to go over for no reason)
CPU core is at 1.375V in bios, resulting in 1.356~1.378V in CPUZ and Coretemp. (varies with every boot)
I've tried with both my E6550 and a borrowed E6600, but for some reason, the board will not pass it's POST at any FSB higher than 415mhz.
(resulting in 830mhz DDR2, and a 2904mhz for the E6550 and 3733mhz for the E6600 (at 1.388V))
This all makes me wish I got the older E6600 instead, eventhough it gets quite hot. Which brings me to the topic of temps: E6550 OC after 1 hour Orthos = 54degrees. (and 33 / 39 idle) For some reason, Windows prefers core2, which Idle's a lot higher (39) than core1.(33)
The E6600 got to the awefully high temperature of 68 degrees after 2 hours Orthos.
But now the issue: As soon as I pop the FSB to 416, 417 or 420, the system will no longer boot, and I will get the "OC failed" message after shutting the power down.
I've read quite a few reviews and many people seem to encouter these problems. Boards with same chipsets, seem to go to quite a bit higher. (435 being the worst one in the same price range: the Gigabyte DS3 P43 version.)
Am I overlooking something? Would more voltage sort these problems? (I already went a bit overboard just to test)
Are there settings I'm missing?
Any help would be greatly appriciated!!!

Quote from: skip741 on 15-October-08, 05:46:56
Hi Unicron, read ur post and thought id give you some feedback.Im the guy who originally posted the 417fsb wall thread.I beleve these boards with the p43 chipset Do indeed have something going on which limits the higher fsb speeds seen by p45 series. Id be interested to hear if Any one with a p43 version msi board has achieved speeds beyond 415-417. I know the p45 chipsets have gotten thru the 500fsb barrier.I had tried Every bios available for my p43 neo3-f board and EVERY possible bios setting and yet never got beyond that 417 limitation. Voltages raised in cell menu have No effect on getting thru it. board is strong and stable Up to that point, then 1 mhz beyond there is no post or freezing as it enters desktop.Ultimately after spending 3 weeks intensive trying everything and scouring every forum and msi tech for advice, to no avail, i just gave up on it and returned my board to manufacturer. I purchased another brand of board and went right thru that fsb wall with same hardware and cpu.i was able to achieve 535fsb no problem. I had tried to post "which" board i went with before on this forum but was censored heavily for trying to do so. I guess such sharing is Not allowed. Moderators take that as promoting "other" manufacturers boards and frown on it.My intent was only to share what i learned and help others. So i have to keep that info to myself sadly.. anyway thats my 2 cents, my name is Paul. good luck !
Yes, I think we discovered the same thing:
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Hi,
just a few first comments, so that you don't get onto the wrong track:
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by adjusting the fsb on the bios am i only adjusting the cpu clock?
The FSB Frequency is the base frequency for both the CPU Frequency and the memory frequency. The CPU Frequency is always calculated like this:
(real) FSB Clock Speed x CPU Ratio/Mutiplier = CPU Frequency
The Memory Frequency is adjusted via the FSB/DRAM Ratio Option. If the FSB Frequency is set to 266 MHz the memory will run @DDR2-800 if the FSB/DRAM Ratio is set to 1:1l5...:
266 MHz FSB x 1.5 = 400 MHz (= DDR2-800 effectively)
When you raise the FSB Frequency you have to make sure that the FSB/DRAM Ratio you have set in BIOS will not overclock your memory beyond its specifications. It is not a good idea to leave the FSB/DRAM Ratio set to "AUTO" when you are overclocking.
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My concerns are on the bios high incriments on the cpu voltage adjuster i can only adjust with increments of 1.141 next is 1.441 then 1.641 is it too high?
Have you browsed through all the values the BIOS allows you to set in order to check if there are other values available? Setting the CPU Voltage to 1.441 or 1.641 is not really something you should do. 1.441V is already quite high but 1.641V is definately too much. Leave the CPU Voltage on AUTO for now and see how far you can get without adjusting the CPU Voltage (check the actual Voltage with CPU-Z).
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and is the cpu voltage same as the vcore
Yes.
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my default fsb is at 266 x 10.5 = 2.8 Ghz my plan is adjusting it to 286 x 10.5 = 3.03 Ghz.
You probably won't need to increase any critical voltage levels for that. This is a really, really moderate overclock. Just see what happens if you adjust the FSB Clock Speed to 286 MHz without changing anything else in BIOS (well, keep Spread Spectrum and DOT disabled at all times when you overclock),
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And as a backup plan if all fails when trying to OC flashing bios is the right thinkg to do?
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Quote from: skip741 on 15-October-08, 05:46:56
Hi Unicron, read ur post and thought id give you some feedback.Im the guy who originally posted the 417fsb wall thread.I beleve these boards with the p43 chipset Do indeed have something going on which limits the higher fsb speeds seen by p45 series. Id be interested to hear if Any one with a p43 version msi board has achieved speeds beyond 415-417. I know the p45 chipsets have gotten thru the 500fsb barrier.I had tried Every bios available for my p43 neo3-f board and EVERY possible bios setting and yet never got beyond that 417 limitation. Voltages raised in cell menu have No effect on getting thru it. board is strong and stable Up to that point, then 1 mhz beyond there is no post or freezing as it enters desktop.Ultimately after spending 3 weeks intensive trying everything and scouring every forum and msi tech for advice, to no avail, i just gave up on it and returned my board to manufacturer. I purchased another brand of board and went right thru that fsb wall with same hardware and cpu.i was able to achieve 535fsb no problem. I had tried to post "which" board i went with before on this forum but was censored heavily for trying to do so. I guess such sharing is Not allowed. Moderators take that as promoting "other" manufacturers boards and frown on it.My intent was only to share what i learned and help others. So i have to keep that info to myself sadly.. anyway thats my 2 cents, my name is Paul. good luck !
Yes, I think we discovered the same thing:
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Nor do various other brands. I must say I haven't found/read about a P43 board that does. But I guess if you claim there 's such a board, it must exist.
I'm done looking. Next time I'll buy a higher end board. Low end CPU + Low end board OC isn't a very good idea. I should've gone with a X48 MSI DDR2 board + E9650.

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** SOLVED ** MSI P43 Neo DPC Latency

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Did you download and read the PDF on the PDC tool? If not do so as it shows how to ID the problem though the process of elimination.
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Did you install the chipset drivers before installing the other drivers?
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This screen-shot was taken just a moment ago, proof that the issue has been resolved without a modified BIOS:
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http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1484
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