MTC/SMPTE Sync

Using AA3 with Windows Vista on HP Pavillion Notebook. I've optimized Windows for better DAW performance. Using Presonus Firewire products
as recording interface and tons of external recording and keyboard gear.
In multitrack mode, I set up AA3 to MIDI trigger enable, sample accurate sync and select it to be the master device. I have no problems triggering external devices on playback- very reliable, but when I arm a track for recording AA3 wont trigger the external devices anymore.
I've exhausted my search for an answer. Anybody know a way I can set up and record with AA3 as the MTC/SMPTE master? Is this a bug or am I trying to do something that just can't be done.

Thank you for the suggestion. A very simple and effective idea offered up. Earlier versions of AA are not "fully" compatible with Vista.
I will point out that I am losing valuable components related to VST plugins not compatible with the "host" that are nice to have when tracking.
I am also losing certain Windows control features like accessing the recording mixer and ASIO control panel. The later being hightly important. Then there is the question of session data whether or not it is compatible with earlier versions.
But, all things considered, AA 1.5 does in fact record while acting as the master MTC sync device. Tracking audio with AA1.5 and then mastering in AA3.0 is probably the best I can hope for under the Vista platform.
Next time there's an upgrade, I'll take the time to download and use the trial version and not automatically assume that functionality from earlier versions is a given.

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NY, NY.

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no.
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Florence wrote:
thx for replying.....
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have never see the number 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... 1.... before starting a jingle???
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hey
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http://discussions.info.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=9768091
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Bontempi wrote:
hey
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http://discussions.info.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=9768091
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natekon wrote:
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In sync page (MODE+9 - F2)   
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Best,
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1. Setup->Session
1a. Set the session start time to 00:00:00:00
1b. Time code rate =25
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2a. Synchronization - MTC reader Port: Digi 003, Port 1
MTC Generator Port: Digi 003, Port 1
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SEND MTC from LOGIC to MOTU TRAVELER

Hi!
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It really depends on the FX you're using.
Here are two simple examples:
1) Let's suppose you want to insert an external hardware compressor on Audio 1.
Insert I/O plug on Audio 1, with its output set to Bus 1 (instead of 1-2)
In the I/O plug, set the ins and outs to 3
Connect the output of your compressor to your interface, input 3 and the compressors input to output 3 on your interface.
In Logic, create Audio 2
In Audio 2, choose Bus 1 at its input, 1-2 as it's output.
Record your compressed track on Audio 2
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2) Let's suppose you want to use an external reverb unit. In this case, you probably want to use it on an Aux, and not record it, but have it available to send to from any track.
Let's use Bus 20 to send to your reverb unit.
Create an stereo bus return. Let's say Aux 20.
On AUX 20, choose Bus 20 as it's input, output 1-2
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Patch your reverb's input L&R to your interfaces 3-4 outputs.
Patch the reverb's outputs L&R to your interfaces 3-4 inputs
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