MTS Files appear to skip frames at clip transitions?

My Canon Vixia HF S200 creates multiple sequentially numberd MTS files for long sequences.
Snapping them together in Premier Pro CS5 yields a 'jump' between clips, as if frames were missing.
Now, sombody on another forum insisted that there were no frames missing from the MTS files, and that re-muxing them would prove it. So I did download 'tsMuxer' a free muxer, and combined a few into a single m2ts file and indeed the 'jump' vanished at the point where the previous 2 would have joined!
So.... Any ideas? Some setting? Frame rate?
Thanks,
Dave

That worked, thanks!
So it appears that the camera is not actually creating individual complete MTS files with all the embedded structures, but they are really just chunks of one larger MTS object, broken up to stay under the 2 GB limit of some file systems? Thus the media browser and other tools that know this combine them correctly?
Whereas trying to look at them as individual complete MTS files must confuse some software, I'm guessing that Premiere, and other viewers that I played with, seem to have to skip some stuff in later files (not the first) to try and get in sync with the data stream or something?
Just wondering how that is really working under the covers...

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Please see my answers below in bold, hope you and/or someone else can help me with some further answers
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