Multi-angle is piece of cake, mixed angle is too much of a headache

When Keith Buckner asked me "Can you take that off?" (referring to the 3D soundscaping footage in the left half of the split screen in the Music of Engineering DVD), it gave me an idea: give a little usefulness to the Angle button by allowing viewers to see just the live concert footage or just the soundscaping footage. But I decided to do it just for Keith's piece, +Kinetic Energy+.
The DVD Studio Pro manual made it sound like I can just drop them on the timeline. But as y'all can already predict, a ton of GPO error messages ensued. Then I decided to make it a separate special feature, exporting the two angles and the sound as three separate files each lasting 5:26.65. Put them together in the timeline, change the targets of the relevant menu buttons, and everything ran smoothly. I didn't have to worry about I, B or P frames one bit, DVD Studio Pro took care of everything.
I wonder if DVD Studio Pro has a blade tool like Final Cut, and I'm certain it is possible to make mixed angle work. But I'm happy with the two separated angles being a special feature by themselves. Though I have yet to talk to Keith and ask him what he thought of it.

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