Multi-cam project crashing in FCP

Hi,
I'm cutting a multi-cam project and the system I'm cutting on keeps crashing - and it appears to be crashing just after the auto save.
The project is a five camera shoot, all on XDCam EX3 35mbs 1080 / 25p (ingested into FCP, native clips are then combined into a multiclip & put into an HD Pro Res timeline - the Apple Pre-set: Apple ProRes 422(HQ) 1920x1080 50i version).
The system I'm working on is an 8 Core (2x2.8ghz quad core intel) with 16gb RAMM, OSX 10.5.8 (this isn't my own system)
The actual FCP project is still pretty small (currently only 24mb), although this will be increasing (I'm cutting 10x1 hour shows).
The system appears to hang up just after doing an autosave (I say this because the time stamps on the most recent autosave are usually within a minute or two of the crash). I get the spinning ball of death, and then the system crashes (although not always, it tends to crash about 40% of the time when the spinning ball of death appears).
I'm running the system fairly minimally: I've reduced the number of audio tracks playing in real time to 2, and the audio playback quality to Low (it's stand up comedy). I am running with the waveform showing on one audio track (I've crushed the other tracks so it's not showing - although I don't know if this means the audio waveform isn't being calculated for those tracks). I've only got one track of audio actually playing.
I've reduced the playback quality & frame rate to dynamic, but I am running 5 streams of EX3 35mbs vision through the multicam playback window, in a pro res sequence (1920x180).
I've already deleted the FCP preferences & zapped the P-RAMM a couple of times.
Any ideas on how I can reduce the crashes?
Thanks!

Thanks Shane & Tony,
I'll try that, fortunately we've only shot & ingested the first few shows, so we can still fit the transcoding process into our workflow. (I had heard this suggested prior to starting the edit, but wanted to avoid it if possible because of the extra work involved).
BTW, my method for transcoding the media to Pro Res for the two sequences that I've already edited, would be to identify the transcoded EX3 QT files that have been ingested (at desktop level), take these QT files into compressor, apply & run the standard apple Pro Res template, and then re-link the clips in FCP to the new transcoded media files (which would have identical names, but be the transcoded Pro Res Version). Then re-link the sequence.
Obviously, for the shows that I haven't cut yet, I'd just ingest, & then transcode the media, & re-import the transcoded Pro Res media ready for editing.
Do you have a better way of transcoding the EX3 files to re-link to the edited sequence?
Thanks!
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Recently I had a question about cutting XDCam EX3 media in multi-cam on FCP (Shane & Tony gave some very good advice). The initial response - to transcode my EX3 media into ProResLT & then use these clips for multi-cam editing worked well (I'm cutting 10 x 75 min stand up comedy shows, 5 camera multicam, and will be delivering in standard Def PAL, but editing in HD).
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Originally, I did have all of the edits in the same project, but to simplify things and reduce the size of the project file, which was only hitting 125mb at most (with 16gb of RAMM, running in 32bit, so max 4gb RAMM available to FCP), I've moved each acts edit into it's own project, so that the project just has one sequence (albeit quite complex) and it's source clips, and some effect templates in each individual project.
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On this edit, the system that I'm cutting on is a Mac Pro 8 Core, with 16gb RAMM, with a Raid drive for the media, connected via a Mini SAS connection (all the ProResLT media is on this drive, and it's about 80% full, although we've had to juggle media a bit, which has meant adding, deleting & adding new media to the drive, while trying to keep the volume less than 90% full)
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Thanks Thomas,
No I haven't done this yet (or really known about it, until now), but I'm downloading the trial version, and I'll run it ASAP, to see if it can give any clues.
It sounds like a path to a solution!
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