Multi MIDI Instrument Problem

Hi All,
I'm trying to configure my MonoMachine as a (multi) MIDI instrument in Logic. Most of it is working but I am having a real problem with separating the channels. It can receive MIDI to it's internal synths from Logic for a variety of applications on channels 1-9. However, it can also use it's internal MIDI sequencer to send out MIDI to trigger soft synths, other MIDI gear, etc, on channels 10-15. I have configured a multi instrument in the environment (set to all channels), then activated channels 10-15 only, then created 6 audio instruments and connected the multi to each, ensuring that each audio instrument is allocated to different channels (10-15).
The problem is that Logic is sending all 6 Monomachine MIDI channels to all soft synths attached to the multi instrument and not sending channel 10 to instrument 1, channel 11 to instrument 2, etc. It works perfectly well in Live 6 but then I didn't have to configure any environments to get it to work!!!!
I have also tried a channel splitter between the multi and the instrument channels but with no success.
Any ideas? I've also posted this over at the Elektron forums but thought I'd ask here too.
Thanks
David

Hi,
Thanks for that. Just got round to reconfiguring and it still doesn't work. Although the input from Logic to the MonoMachine is triggering channels 1-9 perfectly, the channels out of the Monomachine into Logic (10-15) are still triggering every audio instrument plugin on every channel.
Any other ideas?
Many thanks.
David
MacBook Pro 2.33 CD Mac OS X (10.4.8) Logic Pro, Live 6, Komplete 4, MOTU Ultralite, Virus Ti, MonoMachine, etc.

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