Multi Timbral Instruments

I am having a problem whereby selecting the instrument track for any multi-timbral instrument (I use Stylus, MSI, and Ethno amongst others) plays MIDI track 2 on the instrument, not 1. I have made multi instruments in the environment for these multi-timbral instruments and can access any channel on them via individual MIDI tracks, but does anyone know how to set it so that the default MIDI channel for the instrument track itself is 1? I'm sure it has something to do with the environment, but I can't seem to figure it out.

If you check the environment object, you will probably find that you left the channel 2 "button" engaged. You need to clear it (not sure how) or create a new multi-instrument object and make sure that no midi channel is highlighted, of if one it, it's channel 1.

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leaaco wrote:
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