Multicam quirks in Premiere CC

Anyone else seeing inconsistent and quirky behavior with new multicam in Premiere CC?
For example, my normal workflow is to have the multicam/program window on my right hand monitor and the timeline open in my left monitor. I drag the playhead in the timeline through the project, watch what the various camera shots are, and cut to cameras as needed via a ctrl+click, adding transitions when necessary. In CS6 this worked very well.
However in CC a couple of issues have come up that makes me wish for CS6, unless someone has some suggestions. All video is running from an adequately speedy external RAID. Usually working with Canon XF video and AVCHD clips.
The new "combined" program and multicam view doesn't pan out. I have an external SDI monitor and under CS6 I could see the final video, effects, transitions and everything on the external monitor. Now with CC when I'm in "multicam mode" I CANNOT see any effects, transitions, etc., just the raw cuts between camera views. To see effects and such I have to temporarily drop to "non-multicam" view (via button or shift+0) and then switch back. Probably someone is going to say "you shouldn't do it this way, you should first go through and choose your camera shots then go back through and add effects" but I don't care...I use to be able to work this way in CS6, why can't we in CC? Maybe I'm missing something.
There are a lot of playhead and multicam edit quirks introduced, possibly as a results of the new combined multicam window. When dragging the playhead in the timeline frequently I'll stop dragging, tap spacebar to hit play, and the playhead will jump back in time to some spot 10-20 seconds back. I can't explain this nor does it seem to happen in any reproducible way. To make matters worse if I'm dragging the playhead and find a spot I need to switch cameras I'll stop dragging, select the camera, only to cringe and find that the playhead jumped back 10 seconds and now my camera edit is in the wrong place! I tried to mitigate this by dragging the playhead in the program/mutlicam window (instead of the timeline window), but I don't like this because the audio waveform isn't right there in my line of sight anymore and also it introduced new gremlins. Quite often I would ctrl+click a camera and the yellow "select" rectangle would remain on the previous camera. But in my timeline and external monitor the new camera is showing! Erk, this little bugs are very annoying.EDIT: After more testing this bug is easily reproducible. WIth a multicam sequence drag the playhead in the timeline window far down in to the sequence and immediately hit spacebar, drag back near the beginning and hit play. Doing this repeatedly will eventually cause the playhead "jump" back to a previous position. It does not seem to happen when dragging the playhead in the multicam window. It does not seem to happen when in non-multicam mode and dragging the timeline playhead. So end result: the "jump" bug happens when in multicam mode and dragging the timeline playhead.
When switching between sequences very frequently the newly selected sequence will be marked "red" under the workbar and nothing will show on the external monitor. But if I quickly switch between multicam and non-multicam and back to multicam the red will dissappear and everything is normal.
Any tips would be appreciated. I'm not quite ready to dump CC since there are lots of appreciated performance improvements (spanned AVCHD clips are rock solid so far...fingers crossed).
Premiere Pro 7.0.0
Windows 7 SP1
G-Speed es external RAID
Nvidia 580 video card (GPU acceleration enabled in Premiere of course)

There are some bugs in Multicam in Premiere Pro CC, one of which can be catastrophic to your work.
Please read this thread:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1236698?tstart=60
Whether your issues are part of the same thing, I cannot say.
Have you filed a bug report? You should, if you haven't
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hello
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I will try to specify this:
when I am start editing, its working fine, the problem start when the sequence is larg (over an hour)
when I am getting to 30 minutes and more, and I have to stop (to fix the editing)
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thanks
moshe

hello
I have weird a problem while editing in multicam sequence.
I will try to specify this:
when I am start editing, its working fine, the problem start when the sequence is larg (over an hour)
when I am getting to 30 minutes and more, and I have to stop (to fix the editing)
I am rolling the cti back a few second and press the spacebar and premiere response
very slowly until it starts recording, and it wont scroll back and forward (while scrubbing the cti)
and it's getting worse as long as am going further.
the response time is very long when I approaching the 01:00:00:00.
in 01:50:00:00 it's taking her between 20 or 30 second to respond.
in the cs3 I didn't have this problem.
I will be glad to hear if there anyone that have experienced the same problem
or maybe someone have another solution for this kind of a bug.
thanks
moshe

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Seems like this thread is the same issue just in different words: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1237142?tstart=0
Sadly, I found out the hard way. I'm another lost soul that was bit by this bug. And on my first day of editing with Premiere Pro CC after using CS6 since last fall. Day one and I already have to shelve the new software til it's fixed. So sad. Makes me really wonder actually how this was never caught and solved in all the time leading up to the release given that if you make any adjustments to your multicam that rewrite any previous multicam edits, then save and reopen the project the issue pops up. Seems like a pretty huge bug to look over or miss. If it was "known" then how can you justify releasing it? It essentially cripples this feature rendering it almost useless.
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Mark Mapes wrote:
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Elliott B. wrote:
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I was overjoyed to find out that Premiere Pro CC will bring us something Adobe users have never had until now... a multicam tool that actually works! (i.e. the painfully stupid 'auto switch back to original camera angle when playback stops' problem has finally been fixed. ALLELUIA!)
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At this point, I have to ask: SERIOUSLY ADOBE????!!!!!
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As good of an improvement as Premiere CC may be, this clear-as-a-bell workflow issue is making me lose faith in Adobe. You'd think that at least 1 programmer on PP's team would have to good sense to see the workflow problem here. Are we supposed to believe that the quality control at Adobe is this weak? Or was this done on purpose so that 5 years from now it will finally be fixed and touted as a 'new feature'? (For the record, the fixed Multicam is NOT a new CC 'feature' IMO. It's just a fix to a problem that never should have been created nor passed QC in the first place.)
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End of rant.

PierreLouisBeranek wrote:
You may blame the instructor for not knowing about this switch - although it means that he doesn't really understand what he's doing - but not Adobe. The mixer is working as it should, some people simply don't know how to operate it.
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I am that instructor. At the time I created the tutorial (April 2013) and up to this moment, the Premiere Pro prerelease site, new features documents had not noted that there was an option in the Audio Clip Mixer panel fly-out menu to choose between "Keyframe Mode Latch" and "Keyframe Mode Touch" (it's set to "Latch" by default).
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