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Gentlemen, I exported a sample EDL for my on line bay from a multiclip edit from three angles (P2 Card Files) I created and they are seeing the list as one Reel Name instead of the three reel names if I cut it traditionally.
I understand a multiclip is creating a new single clip in my bin of the three source clips, and that it is creating its own new name. But is there not a way for the EDL to be created and exported so that the edit list reflects the original file source names, not the single multiclip name?
I also tried collapsing the multiclip but got the same EDL result.
Thanks for your input.

Might try performing a match frame/replace routine in your sequence after collapsing the multiclips? i.e, replace the clips in the sequence with the original master clips... This would go pretty fast I'd think. Just place the playhead anywhere within a clip, type f, and then simply use the replace edit on each one.
Try it with a duplicate of the original sequence...
Jerry
Message was edited by: Jerry Hofmann

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