Multiple Airports with private and isolated guest wireless networks available from both

Hi,
I've been searching online for some equipment that can do what i want to do without going into the enterprise grade and spending $5000 on Cisco gear.
Consider two locations approx 80m apart - Primary is a house, and secondary location is a garage. A Cat6 run exists between the two.
The goal would be to have a wireless primary router in the house for wired and private wireless internet access, with an additional Guest wireless that is isolated from the private network that I can turn on and off if guests are coming over.
In addition, the second location should also support both wired and wireless connections.
It seems simple to me, one device in each location. The WAN port on the garage device would connect back to the house device. The two devices should be smart enough to know that one is extending the other. Someone on the guest wireless that is connected via the garage AP would not be able to see the wired devices even though it's traffic is going across the same wire back to the primary router.
Can I do this without spending a fortune?
Thanks

Two Apple AirPorts would do most....but not all...of what you want.
A few notes.....
In order for the guest network feature to work correctly on an AirPort router, the "main" AirPort in the house must connect to a simple modem......not a modem/router or gateway device. That is a deal killer for some users right there.
When the guest network is activated in the garage, it must be activated for both AirPorts....house and garage.
You could actiivate the guest network for the house and leave the guest network off in the garage if you wanted, no problem there.....but.....you could not activate the guest network in the garage without also activating it in the house first.
"Guests" can only connect to the guest network using wireless. Up to you to decide if you want to leave the guest network open or use a password that would need to be used to connect to the network.
But.....If "guests" had physical access to the AirPort in the garage....and they connected to one of the Ethernet ports on the AirPort in the garage, they would be connecting to your main or private network.
So, if something like this was a concern, you would have to either hide the AirPort in the garage and trust that users would not find it....or....find some way to limit access to the back panel of the AirPort so that users could not connect to it using an Ethernet cable.
If the features and installation limitations are acceptable, you could spend as little as $100 for each AirPort Express.
If you wanted better performance from the AirPort in the house, you could use an AirPort Extreme there...about $200 and an AirPort Express in the garage.
The deluxe option would be to use two AirPort Extremes.
Finally, you would want to make sure that you understood the store's return policy before you buy.....in case something unexpected crops up, as can sometimes be the case.

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So if someone is connected to the modem/router network they will be able to see the HD I will have put in to the AirPort Extreme?
As I said above.....since the modem/router and AirPort are bridged, devices on the modem/router wireless will be able to "see" devices on the AirPort wireless, and vice versa.....
If they can see the HD connected to the AirPort Extreme, will they be able to access it
Yes, unless you plan to password protect the drive connected to the AirPort Extreme.
or will they still need the password needed to get onto the AirPort Extreme network?
The modem/router and AirPort Extreme are bridged. They are on the same network. All devices are on the same network when the modem/router and AirPort are bridged. Not sure how else that I can say this.
Also, because it is bridged, I shouldn't have any problems accessing the HD I will have connected to the AirPort Extreme from an external location?
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Welcome to the discussion area!
+PCI regulations do not consider VLAN a secure way of keeping the data isolated. Does anyone have any technical information on how the device creates the guest wireless network ?+
I spoke to Apple Support some time ago and was told that Apple uses VLAN to create the Guest network, and also that formal documentation was not available on this topic. I was referred to the AirPort Extreme Specifications for available information.
This was some time ago, so if you need more up to date info, you might want to try to contact Apple to see if they are willing to share more information about this feature. Although, since VLAN is used, your question may already be answered.
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Change your router channel. Sometimes this is all you will have to do.
Power cycling the router. Read the router's user manual or contact their tech support for instructions.
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In my new home, I have a more complicated setup that I like better, but I have a problem understanding the steps I need to take to get the airtunes speakers to show up in itunes.
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I have an airport express and i wanted to know it if it is possible to have the wireless network separate from the lan. We have meetings and wanted to provide internet access to clients but do not want them to be able to "see" and access our computers on our lan.

tileshop, Welcome to the discussion area!
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