Must power up twice in order to boot OS X

Hi,
I have a dual processor 1.8GHz PowerMac G5 running 10.5.6. In order to boot I must power up the G5, there is no start-up chime, then power if off and back on again and then I get the start-up chime and all is well. At first this was an intermittent problem, but it has happened every day for the past few weeks. Every night I power off the G5 and unplug it from the power bar. Leaving the G5 plugged in overnight but powered down makes no difference.
I have replaced the battery, reset the PRAM, NVRAM and PMU, replaced the start-up disk, removed the PCI card I had added, now I only have the monitor, keyboard/mouse and network connected, but the problem persists. I cannot see any errors in the logs. I did upgrade to a wired aluminum keyboard before this problem started.
Any suggestions as to what else I could try?
Thanks,
Randy

I wonder how many folks cannot use their original Apple Hardware Test Disk since installing 10.5.6? I can start up with it but all it wants to do is reinstall OS X 10.2. No hardware test.
But back to the problem.....
When you do get it going have you tried the "About this Mac" and checked the tests run there? Especially the memory?
I had the same problem and it turned out to be bad 1G RAM modules - one or both.

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