My airport express (n) and my airport express (g) in a WDS network. . help?

Hey guys,
I have two airport expresses. Up until now I've had the Wireless N version plugged into the modem, and then have that as part of a WDS network bridging to the G express upstairs.
The N one has been temperamentla and sometimes needs a reset to work - as I game wireless this means I get cut out alot.
I've decided to switch them around now and have switched each physical base station.
I went into Aiport utility and simply changed the settings in each one around.
For example where the main airport was the "Main" Participate in WDS Network, I changed that to "Remote WDS Network". Where the "Remote WDS Network, I've changed to "Main WDS Network".
The end result is I get solid green lights on both (so the network is on) however in Network Settings I get "The network is connected via a self assigned IP and may not be able to connect to the internet".
I'm currently typing this wired.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?

The use of n and g together may cause issues since they set up different through the software. The one plugged into the modem should be main. The g uses the "WDS" setting, and the n uses something different like "extend network". I am dumbfounded as to how the settings need to be to work correctly. I have to g devices and one n device, and I had to use the two g devices to extend my network, and the n device is just for AirTunes. It doesn't work well anymore since apple updated the firmware and updated iTunes. I feel Apple have messed up big time. Check the boards and you will notice lots of issues that have become permanent problems recently with all the updates apple has thrown at us. My system worked flawlessly for 6 years, now it is nothing but dropouts, expresses disappearing from network and then reappearing hours later. It is a big problem that Apple created.

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