My heads in a spin - Older Dual 2.7 or Newer Dual 2 Power Mac

So - story so far
I bought a iMac intel. Yep I got sold on all the hype of 2x faster, the look of it, etc, but wasn't happy with it, it had problems, I returned it, and got a refund. But now I still need a mac.
My needs for a Mac are to take up video editing as a hobby. I have Motion waiting and ready to go.
So now I have faced facts and realised I would be better off with a PowerMac than a Intel Imac for all sorts of reasons (Eg Rosetta, Lack Of Universal Sofware, Lack of expansion, etc)
But my head is in a spin - I have the opportunity to buy a Power Mac G5 2.7GHZ DP (refurb) or a PowerMac Power Mac G5 DC 2.0GHz (New).
My question is this. Am I better with a older Dual (eg no PCI Express, DDR Ram, etc) which has a meaty processor - or the newer Dual Core G5 Power Mac 2.0 (which does have PCI express, DDR2).
The G5 CD 2Ghz has a less than adequate video card (GF6600LE 128mb) which of course I would have to change, but this model is newer and £300 ($600) cheaper.
Or should I pay the extra for the 2.7Ghz Dual, (which has a Radeon 9650 256mb).
Head is spinning - the decisions, the decisions
Any advise greatly appreciated.

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