Mythbackend and hauppage USB tuner problems

I'm coming from using ubuntu for the last year and I've switched over to arch around a month ago. Everything on my server is running nicely and I've learnt more about Linux in the last few weeks than I did in a year of ubuntu, but I've got one last little problem I can't wrap my head around.
Please bear with me because I'm no where near my pc ( and won't be untill the weekend, but I've got remote ssh access to it if needs be )
with ubuntu I've been using a hauppage wintv nova T500 pci and a wintv USB stick. The pci card mounts itself as 2 USB tuners. I've loaded the firmware for the tuners (they both use the same firmware) and they show up when I check lsusb and dmesg.
I've tried mythtv from the repo and mythtv .22 built from the aur, both are giving me the same problem.
Mythbackend is loaded as a daemon in my rc.conf file and it loads fine but then errors out as it can't find any tuners.  the only way I can get myth to work is to unplug the USB tuner and pci card, remove mythbackend from my daemons and when I start the pc up plug the USB tuner in after I get to the command prompt then manually start mythbackend. This way it works fine everytime but I can't use the pci tuner as I don't fancy plugging that in while the pc's on
any help would be Appreciated as it's driving me nuts, I can grab any logfiles anyones after once I finish work (posting this from my phone at work)

the output from that is:
usbcore: registered new interface driver dvb_usb_dib0700
dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-T Stick' in cold state, will try to load a firmware
usb 1-3: firmware: requesting dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw
dvb-usb: downloading firmware from file 'dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw'
dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-T Stick' in warm state.
dvb-usb: will pass the complete MPEG2 transport stream to the software demuxer.
dvb-usb: schedule remote query interval to 50 msecs.
dvb-usb: Hauppauge Nova-T Stick successfully initialized and connected.
Modules linked in: cpufreq_userspace rfcomm sco bridge stp llc bnep l2cap it87 hwmon_vid ipv6 ext2 btusb bluetooth rfkill joydev hid_sunplus usbhid hid fan battery ac snd_hda_codec_realtek powernow_k8 freq_table snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_hda_intel fuse dvb_usb_dib0700 snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_timer ohci_hcd dib7000p snd ehci_hcd dib7000m dvb_usb mt2266 tuner_xc2028 dib3000mc dibx000_common mxl5007t xc5000 s5h1411 mt2060 parport_pc ppdev lgdt3305 nvidia(P) lp thermal parport psmouse pcspkr i2c_piix4 serio_raw button processor agpgart usbcore r8169 miisoundcore snd_page_alloc dvb_core dib0070 wmi sg evdev i2c_core rtc_cmos rtc_core rtc_lib ext4 mbcache jbd2 crc16 sd_mod pata_acpi pata_atiixp ahci ata_generic libata scsi_mod
thats just the usb tuner plugged in, i took the pci one out before i left for the week.
to me it looks as if its registered properly and everythings fired in. But like i said im new to Arch and i was kinda used to just plugging stuff into ubunutu and it automagically working

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