N580gtx lightning xe/std - why?

Question to the MSI.
I bought a video card "MSI n580gtx lightning xtreme", but it is not the declared default frequencies 832/4200 - it is the frequencies 772/4008 and is listed on the label "MSI n580gtx lightning xe /std"(!!!). What is this, some kind of a product which is not mentioned in the official sources? That is, buy a sports car, but that's just the engine it will have on the sports bike, and for almost the same money? This card is not held for some parameters in a class "832/4200" and was demoted to a "standard class - STD"? Explain please, preferably with competence, and not based on speculation - I have enough of their own!
Thank you.

Quote from: viiv
Well ... Your response is predictable. On the other hand assiduous avoidance of the answer to this question shows that there is an unofficial selection. And the buyer should not rely on the exceptional opportunities card N580 GTX LIGHTNING EXTREME (XE / STD!!!). Most harm the brand image that you are trying to fog to hide the reason - you can lose consumer confidence, and he votes with money.
This is a Users-to-Users Forum and your last post is considered being more than just inpolite. It's the reseller who sold the card and he's the one to contact. You may also contact MSI and complain:>>How to contact MSI.<< but stop this attitude on this forum.

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Quote from: Svet on 25-May-12, 15:28:37
if you use another video card does it works stable?
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Quote from: flobelix on 02-December-12, 01:03:03
Playing aan entire level of Crysis or Crysis2 with extreme settings is a very sure way to test. A multiplayer round of BF3 at max settings is also a good test.
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Display driver : ForceWare 280.26
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==> http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N580GTX-Lightning-Xtreme-Edition.html#/?div=Driver&os=All
Remove current driver with >>Driver Sweeper<< in 'Safe Mode' before install the new one
Quote from: Frakatchoo on 07-September-11, 22:13:04
It's only unstable when i'm use the GPU (Games & benchs), not HD videos.
Most games/bench crashes with default clock @ 1.031v. I tried to overvolted & undervolted the GPU, but my tests were not conclusive. The only way i've found to have all games/benchs stable is to downclock the GPU as I explained in my first post.
Maybe i need a more accurate GPU voltage ? Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
have you tested with 1050mV for core?
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Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
normally not, but depend what exactly is unstable
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Display driver : ForceWare 280.26
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Quote from: Frakatchoo on 07-September-11, 22:13:04
It's only unstable when i'm use the GPU (Games & benchs), not HD videos.
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Maybe i need a more accurate GPU voltage ? Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
have you tested with 1050mV for core?
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Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
normally not, but depend what exactly is unstable
But it should work fine by default as is

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