N97 GPS poor / news from Vodafone (germany)

Since i just returned my first N97 for poor GPS quality
and now am returning my second N97 for poor GPS quality AND
an american keyboard (qwerty), because im german in want my qwertz-keyboard
I just called the vodafone support service.
(sidenote: have to say that this is the best support service ive seen so far on this planet!)
They just told me that I will have to wait for another week to get my new N97 (the third!), because
they sent the shipping back to NOKIA, because they had too many returns regarding the
GPS quality (fix and loss) with this phone. It seems that NOKIA changed something to have a lot
improvements, maybe in hardware too. So vodafone is just waiting for another shipment of NOKIA
where the GPS quality is fixed. And of course i dont care if I have to wait another week as long as
I have a working GPS in it.
Seems that NOKIA really had problems with the first productions.
Glad that vodafone is telling them and taking care of this issue
cheers.
ps: the rest of the phone is fine, although a lot is still beta, mine is working really fine,
because was able to free up to 48 MB of my C: drive.I still belive this solves a lot of issues with
this phone. detailed articles:
/discussions/board/message?board.id=smartphones&thread.id=149756
Some other firmware updates will do the
rest and im quite confident that the software will mature as it was with my N95.

I don't know if this solution will work for everyone else with GPS/Sat nav problems but I have found a solution that works for me.
I have had some success using Ovi maps/Sat nav when only having the integrated GPS on the N97 switched on but that was in a very big open field – which isn’t very useful.
But at home, outside in my garden I was unable to get a GPS signal using the integrated GPS only. I tried many times, left the phone standing up as directed in the manual/web site without any success. With the network based GPS switched on I had been able to get a GPS signal.
But then I noticed something. While I have the N97 charging either at the computer or when plug into the wall, I have been able to get a GPS signal/Sat nav within a couple minutes just using the integrated GPS, yes the N97 picks up my location indoors and the signal remains even after I remove the charger. So I’m assuming this with work with a car charger as well (I haven’t got round to getting a car charger yet!)
I hope this solution works for others with GPS issues

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Sorry to start yet another thread on the N97 GPS problems, but reading through all the threads there seems not to be any clear conclusion as to whether or not the issue is a software/firmware one, in which case potentially fixable, or a hardware one, in which case the phones have to be sent back and replaced.
My personally feeling is that it's hardware. Some people have no issue but many have a problem. I have the same issues with losing the satellites, poor GPS accuracy, etc. both with Ovi Maps 3.01 and with Google Maps, which again to me points to a hardware fault. Updating firmware from v10 to v11 made no difference to GPS performance.
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I believe that the GPS problem in N97 not a hardware problem but a software problem with the Nokia (Ovi) Maps 3.
Below explanation why:
I have been using Nokia Maps 2.0 on my previous phone – E71 for more than one year. It worked pretty well and stable. One important remark – it is important to configure the server for AGPS under Settings well...
About one and half month ago I decided to install on my E71 the newest Nokia (Ovi) Maps 3.0. And ... immediately my problems started. The GPS performance worsened – I was continuously getting messages about GPS lost, recalculating and usually concluding that I am on a parallel road to the road which I was actually driving – horrible...
Also my colleague with N82 made the same mistake (installed Maps 3.0) and got the same problems.
Because of this problems I have removed this new version on my E71 and went back to Nokia Maps 2.0. And guess what? - The problems were gone!
Two weeks ago I bought my N97. It comes only with Maps 3.1 so I was expecting problems. And ... indeed I have them all. Bad thing is however that I cannot go back to Maps 2.0 on N97...
I tested GPS accuracy with three different phones (N97, E71, E75) and two versions of Nokia Maps. What I can see is that its normal to be about 80-100 meters on average. This is not a specific N97 issue! And apparently should not be a problem because Nokia Maps 2.0 works great even if this application shows accuracy of 100 m. Probably thanks to the Assisted GPS.
So my conclusion is that it is not a hardware problem but a problem with (a part of) the software of the Nokia (Ovi) Maps 3.x ! Maybe with a GPS Driver? Or the functionality of the assisted GPS?
Message Edited by concordia on 16-Aug-2009 04:04 PM

N97 GPS cannot get a fix..

My N97 gps is having difficulty getting a fix on my position.
i was side by side with my fiance E71, and hers gets a fix in less than 20 secs. Whereas my N97 takes a long time, and after that, It just say unable to get a fix on the locatin, GPS works poor in enclosed area.
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I do not think that the N97 hardware is a flaw because I have tested it, see my other feedback in the forum and what I did.
In brief, I get a GPS fix in 1 second with a 8cm ultra thin copper wire coiled and hidden under double-sided tape under the orignal label antenna. This is done by first coiling this wire over a double-sided tape and then purely slightly peeling the original anntena tape, and placing this double-side tape (with wire) onto the plastic. Then stick the original antenna tape back into position: all fully concealed, without screws or opening the phone.
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Now I tried with Nokia Map. Without Garmin and the file, it took 5 minutes to get a GPS fix under clear sky, and no signal under bad sky.
Now I tried Nokia Map after Garmin activated (with the file), and I get GPS fix between 1 to 15 seconds under all conditions. And with the antenna extension, it is between instant 1 second to 5 seconds.
So I will say that the N97 hardware is ok, except the GPS software. I cannot see the private folder in the phone memory as it is blocked (my phone is not hacked). I believe installation of Nokia Map created some new files in the private folder but every installation create different file in the folder (just like Garmin).
Some N97 work well because the file created in the private folder improves the GPS fix while other files deteriorate the GPS fix.
My suggestion: if possible, remove and re-install the Nokia Map in the phone until the file created is the one that improves the GPS fix. Sorry, I only know the needed file for Garmin is 20006e9c.sis which should be in the private folder. For Nokia Map, I do not know what file, and anyway I cannot access the phone memory.
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There has been already some discussion about GPS but I want to start new one topic-
I would like to know is there any N97 or anybody which N97 GPS is working fine without any problems?
Today I made my first real navigation trip and I saw that my N97 with newest maps and phone sw was useless.
GPS signal is going to lost very often and my position arrow is coming too late for corners and turns. Also speed shows very often 0km/h and sometimes it goes totally grazy when poistion is lost and it's starting to calculate route again and again and it never ends without starting whole navigation from the beginning.
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I believe it is a hardware problem. I use GPS Data all the time and it never fails that my N95-3 and E71-2 both get a good GPS signal that doesn't fluctuate constantly or randomly go in and out. It doesn't matter what application I'm in either, whether that be Google Maps, or Nokia Maps. The N97 has a diffiicult time finding and keeping hold of a GPS signal. Both of my N97's (first and second) are exactly the same.
The antenna is the problem. There is no doubt in my mind. All the software in the world can't make up for an antenna that can't keep a signal. It can mask the problem to a certain extent, which supposedly Nokia Maps 3.1 does, but it doesn't solve the real issue here which is **bleep** hardware.
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