N97 v12 and 5800 v30 .. YAWN

You see, I have to say 'YAWN' because when I actually yawn, you don't get it do you Nokia..
Two phones. Both bought directly from Nokia "sim-free".. BOTH stuck on the old firmware.. how old is the 5800 v30 firmware now? 3 weeks old?
I'm hopefully getting my hands on a Sony Ericsson Satio in the next few days. A Symbian phone from another Vendor! Hopefully I'll see how a competitor to Nokia might've managed to have released a phone on the same platform that does not suck so unbelievably...
Get a move on with your mind numbingly convoluted release cycle with its secret change log and even more secret release dates..
Still no Mac support for the N97, ey... tut.. no chance you could add the USB Id's of the N97 to the existing Mac software so it would just work? I doubt very much it requires a code change and lets face it.. what's the worst it'd do.. break the phone and I'd need to *#7370* it? ooooooh.. not for the 85th time then?!
grrrrrr

Just follow up.. I did play with a pre-release satio at the weekend and I have to say it's actually pretty nice!
The screen is much more shiny than the N97 sort of like comparing a matte and gloss laptop screen.
It feels a little bit snappier too.. I put this down to a lack of theme effects (which were disabled. The screen rotate with the theme options turned off was "atomic" rotate the phone and almost immediately the screen swapped.. no slow redraw or fade to black..
The home screen was obviously very different and geared towards the SE look and feel but the main menu app felt almost identical to the N97. To be fair, the phone felt a bit more like a 5800 than a N97.
Size wise it is very similar, thinner but that would be down to the N97 keyboard.. It is certainly larger than the 5800. No micro USB.. that's a bit odd.. perhaps it will change in the final release? I thought SE was in on the standardising connectors effort.
It had a google maps app, but not much else GPS wise.. This I think was down to the fact it was really pre-release..
The camera (12.1mp) was phenominal, but what do you expect.. The slide on the back does look a bit like a blister.. but it does an infinitely better job of protecting the camera.. the flash is xenon too.. and shares no flat plastic for that **bleep** bleed problem (maaan. that really irritates me on the N97!) It has extra hardware buttons too.. more than the camera and volume. Although they're geared towards media functions, I'm sure that could be helpful when trying to map functions (like missing pencil button, for example)
On the whole, I was actually really impressed. I loved playing with the R&D tools Neat for looking around the parts of the OS that are hidden. It didn't have a file manager app so I couldn't tell you how much free memory it has.. I've asked for a follow up on that (especially as my N97 is back under 10meg again .grrrrr)
Compared to the rather old 5800, I *think* I'd prefer the Satio.. however.. the N97 and its keyboard (albeit a keyboard without a damn control key!!! COPY AND PASTE DAMN IT!) still beats it on the hardware stakes.. (asides from the **bleep** keyboard cover does and the loose screen/vibrate does anyone dislike the N97 hardware?)
Software wise, it was really very stable! At no stage did it play the Nokia ring tone instead of the ring tone set in the profile
What was really great was seeing yet another Symbian phone.. Forgetting the PC software (which really isn't of much interest to mac user's anyway.. the mac user base is large.. considerable larger than say the N97 userbase! Nokia, stop ignoring or atleast update your mac software!) the phone is a really usable symbian phone. For the day to day, stock symbian stuff you'd hardly notice the difference.. I'm not sure Nokia or SE would be please about that fact, but as a Symbian fan.. I'm really pleased
The software on the phone suggest that some of the N97 bugs are Nokia bugs.. This is good because it puts the blame at Nokia's door.. by that I mean Symbian aren't to blame, its what Nokia do that's causing a problem..
As more and more Symbian handsets are released and if Nokia don't fix their attitude to testing this will become more and more apparently.. the good news for the Symbian fans out there is that you might now have a choice of vendors..

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32 GB microSDHC card N97 and 5800

Working great on my unbranded N97 and 5800 handsets (and as I'm in the UK they both have ancient firmware). It also works in my N900 Maemo handset
N97:
5800:

Okey, thanks. Nice to know!

The N97, Ovi, and some of my hatred.

This is what's pi$$es me most off at the moment. There's more, but I can't be arsed to mentally whip myself by reminding myself about it. But this should cover my main points of bloodraging fury.
The camera. Why is the production N97 equipped with a camera that would embarrass a prototype?
It drowns the entire left side in led light when the so called flash is used?
While I'm at it, why is there not a proper flash? If Sony bloody Ericsson can do it, so can Nokia.
And then there's the protective cover that isn't protective, but is in fact the freaking opposite of protective.
Why does my lens have scratches because of the cover? And it isn't just me either.
Try googling "n97 scratched camera" and see what results you get.
There are someone in Nokia who should go back to working in a boot factory.
There were no touch pen in the box the N97 came with. Which is just as good, because there's no place in the phone to store it. I tried to use it with a pen from a Nokia 5800, and surprise, surprise, it was a huge improvement. So therefore it could not be a part of the N97 package. If it's any good, the N97 couldn't have it. Just like a better placement of the camera leds such as on the N97 mini, not for the big N97.
Ovi suite. The old PC Suite might've been old, but newer isn't always better. There's several things about Ovi suite I that makes me want go to Finland only to slap Nokia programmers across the face with rancid salmons.
For instance, why, oh fcuking why, is there no bleeding obvious way of moving movies from the N97 to my computer like there was on PC Suite. It had a film strip icon, hooray! The Ovi suite only want to synchronize all the images I have in "My Pictures" folder, even AFTER I have selected a different folder to synch with?
I do abso-fcuking-lutely not want to have all the **bleep** from My Pictures on my mobile phone.
I have even MOOOOVED all the images from the old My Pictures, to a different folder just because Ovi didn't want tolet go of the idea of putting all my old My Pictures images on the N97. And yeeeeeeeezzz.... I have restarted Ovi, but no good.
Restarted my computer, yup, still NFG.
Another thing that makes me truly furious. Playing music on the piece of $hit that I was stupid enough to buy without testing first (because all the previous Nokias I had were excellent mobiles at the times they were new).
I were under the obviously wrong impression that all I have to do to put some music to my retarded mobile was to just adding it by using Ovi. Surely I could play whatever tune I wanted once they were on my mobil, just like on the N95?
Could I heck. The tunes are undoubtedly on the mobile, the Ovi on a different computer sees them on the mobile, but I cannot access them from the mobile. As far as the crabby user interface on the N97 is concerned, there's just the sound files I made with the mobile itself on on there. Nothing else at all in the Music app.
Ovi doesn't do ANYTHING better for me than the old PC Suite did. The things that are allegedly improved by jamming Ovi in my virtual throat are not something I want anyway. Ovi looks gayer though, presumably to suck up to the Apple-drones.
Who by the way got a real nice piece of hardware in the iPhone. Just a shame about having to deal with Satans iTunes by going that route.
On the positive note, Maps is the saving grace of Nokia for me. Otherwise I'd enjoy throwing the N97 at a brick wall, or jumping on it, and urinate all over the remains. I hate this mobile with a passion, so I might go back to the N95 until the next flagship Nokia. And if it isn't at least as good as the competitors, I've bought my last Nokia after many models of Nokias. The user interface isn't a reason to stay with Nokia anymore, so why bother?
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The biggest n97 alternative IMO is the Samsung OmniaPRO B7610 It runs on WinMo, but I like WinMo, so....
Anyway, I understand your gripe. The n97 was a bad unit. However regarding the new Nokia that would make you smile, I am not sure if this would do the trick but later this year Symbian^2 and Maemo 6 will be released
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_tease_with_symbian_ui_improvements_coming_in_2010-news-1300.php
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N97 vs N97 Mini vs 5800

Hi all, First time posting on here. Have had a look through various threads and can't find a similar one. I have an N97 (Vodafone, Ireland, FW 21.0.045) and like many people am driven mad by the GPS. It's the usual problems - phone takes ages to get a signal which is then jumpy and inaccurate or else just about 500 metres behind me all the time, which isn't much use! From what I've read online I gather this is a hardware problem. Brought it to a Nokia Service Centre in Dublin but they just did an "internal software update" which appears to be to the same version it was on. My wife has a 5800 and the GPS is excellent on that compared to mine. Quick signal fix and retains it once it has a signal! My question: Does the N97 Mini suffer similar problems as the N97 on GPS? Is my better bet to keep returning the N97 to service centre until it works, or should I "downgrade" to the N97 Mini and sacrifice whatever losses there are (battery life and FM transmitter from what I can see)? Does GPS work fine (ideally as good as the 5800) on an N97 Mini in general, or does it have its own list of problems? Any advice much appreciated, thanks!

Nokia released a new cover for the back of the n97 with a better GPS receiver, its the same cover that does not scratch the lens. Go get that. It should be free, but I hear some Care Centers charge for it.
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Anyone attempt to download PHOTOSHOP ELEMENTS v12 and got false error messges and crashes?

I had to download Premiere Elements v12 and Photoshop Elements v12. Premiere Elements went fine but Photoshop Elements gave me false error messages about disk space and user access. Anyone else have this problem?

right click the installation file and click 'run as administrator'.

Nokia Experience (N97 and 5800)

About two weeks ago I was in the market for new a new cell phone...being an AT&T user I decided to go unlocked instead of buying a subsidised phone. After searching the net I gave up and went to a cell phone "boutique" store here in Washington DC which specialize in unlocked phones. This place came highly recomended so I gave them a try. I went into the store to find that there was a lot of Nokia advertisement in the store. In the past I haven't dealt with nokia much. I told the salesman what I was looking for and he first tried to sell me an IPhone but at $800 unlocked I passed. I then told him that I was also looking for a phone for my girlfriend. I have big fingers so I needed a keyboard...long story short I left the store with an N97 for myself and a 5800 for my GF.
I should have done more research on Nokia and not just listen to the salesman.
The first few days were great then came an update for the N97 and things seemed wonderful. But things started going south for both phones. Since the 5800 belonged to my GF and ultimately caused me the most grief we'll start with that one.
5800:
My GF uses the phone for three things...talking, texting and facebook. The phone is untouched outside of the latest updates and adding the Facebook app. Every so often the phone will freeze after a phone call, she is usually around me when this happens and she just throws the phone at me and says fix it. The Facebook app is useless and doesn't come close to any other Facebook app out there (I hear it constantly). The web browser will shut down on it's own for no reason. She has like 1000 friends literally and she find scrolling through her contacts annoying and the search function is not always helpful. There are many other little small glitches that she complains about and I have to hear and feel the results...thans Nokia.
I use the N97 myself. I got it because it has the Keyboad and I am a DJ and have tons of music that I like to carry with me. After a couple of days of use and a couple of app installs..the phone became slow(er). Switching from landscape to portrait and back would cause the phone to stop and think for a second (or two). The phone wants to go to landscape when some one call, this a very annoying and gets in the way. I have almost 30 gb of music and phonos in the phone and I will say that digging through them is painful to say the least...why can the photos be place in folders in the gallery? The nokia browser does the samething that the 5800 does with the shutting down problem. The alarm clock is off by several minutes. My phones randomly freezes for no apparent reason.
After searching the web I stumbled across this forum and started reading the many topic...wow I am not alone. Many people are having the same issues and it looks like these issues have been around for some time. Isn't this a Nokia forum? Do they even read this forum? How could these phone go through several updates and still have the same annoying problems? All I can say is WOW. Before the is Phone I had a Blackberry and it too had its bugs when it came out but in subsequent updates the bugs went away. I have heard the same for other smarthpones. Being a first time Nokia user, this left a foul taste in my mouth. I call the store to complain and they are willing to cut me a deal on any other phone they sell since my Nokia experience has been less than favorable.
Sorry for the long rant...I didn't come here to vent, I actually came for advice. Before I go and return these phone and lay down even more money, please tell me that there is a light at the end of this tunnel. You guys have more experience with Nokia's than I do and I am willing to listen to your advice in this matter...should I stay or should I leave? HELP!!!

Okey, thanks. Nice to know!

Call log not saving call duration after 5800 v30 u...

Hey all,
Before updating my 5800 to v30, I remember that in the call log I could get details about any particular stored call, and it would show me how long the call was. But after the update, this is no longer there! Am I going crazy, and that ability was *never* there (and I just imagined it), or has this really been taken away with v30? Or is there a setting that I'm just missing somewhere.?
Note that I'm not talking about showing call durations DURING a call ... that's still available. I'm just talking about storing a call's duration in its call log entry.
Thanks,
Ravi

Hehe oh right, now I remember. It's in the second tab (i guess it's the detailed log tab) in the call log app. I'll just tell myself to do a search before posting. Google is your friend, Ravi!
Ravi

N97 V12 Transition Effects

As I haven’t updated to v12 yet (think I will wait until V20), I was wondering if any who have updated have found the transition effects speed improved.
Personally, I deactivated this function a week after gaining my N97:
Settings>Themes>General>Options>Theme effects: yes/no.
This turned my N97 into a touch screen N95, but I gained better performance and stability. Does V12 offer improved theme effect speed and stability?

Neighter V12,neighter V20 will not comme with something new regarding transitions,maybe just a little speed improovment,but that's all!
For more info regarding V20 you can go here:
http://www.n97fanatics.com/nokia-n97-v20-firmware-a-hands-on-experience/
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Related to nokia 5800 v30.0.011

does firmaware version 30.0.011 includes kinetic scrolling?

Well, I just updated to V30.0.011 today and it seems to be successful (although the GWR lights are still on after keypad locked, which is another issue).
Trying the answer your "can't switch on" query, I've just spent 2 months in Europe and had such a hell of a time with this exact issue I bought a second 5800 while in Czech (which I'm now trying to resell!). But anyway, I tried a number of things over several very frustrating days: removing expansion card, removing SIM card, removing battery for up to a day, deep reset while holding G, R and Camera buttons, any or all of the above. The most I could get to happen was occasionally get the vibration when trying to switch on. So I went out and bought the replacement phone.
Anyway, enough rambling. My experience: Wait at least a day or even two! (probably with batt and mem card out). Don't ask me why, but I more often than not couldn't get to the "buzz" stage by waiting just a few minutes or even hours. But normally if I waited a day, could get that far. Next thing, always hold the start button in *until the white screen appears* (thanks to whoever suggested this). So go through the buzz stage and hopefully the white screen will appear (may take 20 s?). Hopefully you'll get the beast booted up - if not, wait another day! Once booted, suggest you do a deep reset *#7370# but rem this may delete personal data.
So now my phone seems to work reliably (I think?). It took me weeks of trial and error and I'm still not convinced it's entirely fixed (annoying lights) but seems far more reliable now. This process I reckon saved me a trip to Care centre so I'm pretty happy.
Good luck!

Connection fails between N97 mini and Ovi Suite

Hi,
I have had many kind of problems connecting my N97 mini with my laptop but have finally hitted the edge in this issue and didn't find an answer existing here.
When I updated my Ovi Suite to the latest version the connection to my N97 mini was cutted off. This was maybe two weeks ago and I haven't been able to connect the phone to the laptop with PC suite connection form ever since (and no further updates available). I can sure connect with the Ovi Music in other connection forms and store the music to my phone but any connections with the Ovi Suite fails. There for I cannot sync my photoes or address book or get the new updates by my computer. What could I do to get the connection back? Install an older version again? Where to get one?
Today I checked the program updates with my phone application and there is software version 12.0.110 available to upload. Well, my phone does offer for other updates to "start to update" but this one gives only option to "update via computer" (sorry I don't know the exact terms for the option written in the quotes since I use my Nokia in Finnish ). How could I get the updates to my phone via computer when I cannot connect with the Ovi Suite anymore??
I really hope anyone have had the same problem (it's really irritating) and still hopefully wait for some answers...
Any help sincerely appreciated!
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Unfortunately there is no easy solution to this one as it is probably de to the installation of the Ovi Suite update on your laptop.
The first thing you could try is to uninstall and reinstall Ovi Suite. You could also try using the PCsuite cleaner which should ensure that the previous installation is properly removed before reinstalling.

Updates for Nokia X6, 5530 XM and 5800 XM

Hello Nokia,
Nokia please give us more information about the announced updates you've promised us on the 29th of June.
We don't get any information about the updates, except the notice on 29 August.
Come on Nokia, release the update soon and don't ignore your faithful users!
(http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/08/29/new-info-on-the-software-updates-for-symbian-5-0-and-3-2-d...):
New info on the software updates for Symbian 5.0 and 3.2 devices
GLOBAL – Last week we made some edits in the article published in June on the software updates for Symbian 5.0 and 3.2 devices. We have since then received questions about this topic from our readers, so we’d like to share some more information on the status of these updates. We’d like to confirm that the planned updates for Nokia X6, Nokia 5530 and Nokia 5800 are still to be released and we are currently working on getting the software ready to launch in some months.
As all three models are among our older devices, not all operators globally will test and approve the software update for these phones. This is the reason why we decided to remove the devices from the global posting. Availability of the software update for these phones will be determined at a local level.
Best regards ,
Nokia S60 5.0 users

Yes, but when ?

N8 (and 5800) unwanted images in Photo library

Hello,
I've installed the Podcatcher app on my new N8 and something is happening that used to happen with a number of apps on my old 5800, particularly social networking apps and the last.fm scrobbler called Mobbler.
That is, every image they download gets added to my photo library. Is there any way of making this not happen any more? It's really tedious deleting them all every time I use it - I more or less entirely stopped using FaceBook on my 5800 because of this issue.
Thanks in advance for any ideas!
Cheers,
Ben

I don't know about y-browser or x-plorer. More software to download and install?
As for creating a sub-folder - would that mean they wouldn't get added again? In effect that means I'm managing Podcatcher's image cache by hand, and I'm not getting paid for it. Grumble grumble. I really like the phone, but little stuff like this takes so more time and effort than it should!
Cheers,
Ben

N97 green and red call and end keys not working

Couldn't find any mention of this on the boards - the red and green buttons on my N97 aren't working....I almost started to wonder if they were purely decorative!
Anyone else had this problem. Guess I'll have to sent it for repair, a bit frustrating within the first week.

As anyone know, the best you have to do is to take your phone to a nokia care point.
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3 days of stuttering music (thanks v12) and finally have v11 installed again

recent auto-upgrade to v12.0.1.26 was a horrible failure leading to days of uninstalling/deleting in specific orders. Over and over and over.
finally have v11.4.0.18 installed and operating properly
in the end, is XP going to be left in the dust when drivers are no longer updatable?

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N97 Backup and missing messages - best memory loca...

Backed up my data (like a good little boy) via PC Suite last night awaiting the upgrade (currently V 10.0.012) and found all my messages and emails gone. Found the solution to this (from sidtrip) in the "blackhole" N97 bugs post. It appears the update can reset where your messages are stored, and the update had reverted this to the phone memory. I had moved the message to the mass memory as I'd had messages that the phone memory was full (although I could never find what constituted this - file manager showed very little in there).
Question is, where's the best place to hold messages; phone or mass memory?
Presumably Nokia think the phone because that's the default, so a second question would be, how do you solve the weirdness of a reportedly full (but not really) phone memory?
Cheers,
"ROZ"
N97 on GiffGaff
Started to grind to a halt until I hard reset it - still a lot slowly than my wife's iP4

Supplementary question; how can you move messages from one memory to the other. I've now got some split across both phone and mass?
Cheers,
"ROZ"
N97 on GiffGaff
Started to grind to a halt until I hard reset it - still a lot slowly than my wife's iP4

N97 v12 and 5800 v30 .. YAWN

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