NB Cooler question

Does it make sense to remove that cooler from the 875P Neo-FIS2R and replace the stock thermal compound with Arctic Silver 3 thermal compound? How easy is that? Or is the cooler glued to the NB?

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Originally posted by Petej61
Yeah im getting same as you Mob ...NB fan sounds warn out already (bearing noise)
Have ordered a SUNON 40mm 8.9 CFM 26 dB 7500 rpm and a AKASA 40mm 19 CFM 28 dB ? rpm (19 sounds too high for a 40mm ? ...will see when they arrive)
Dont know if the Akasa will have an rpm sensor, the Sunon doesnt (as far as i can tell from info) ...will use one on the north bridge and the other in my spare CD-ROM position
Fan manufacturers sites:-
Akasa http://www.akasa.co.uk/
Delta http://www.deltaww.com/products/dcfans/
Panaflo http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/appliance/appliance_fans_panaflo_axial.htm
Papst http://www.papstplc.com/
Sunon http://www.sunonusa.com/
YStech http://www.yensun.com.tw/frameset.htm
UPDATE:- Fans arrived this morning and both have Tacho sensors :D ...god knows where AKASA get 19 CFM from there fan gives about half the air flow of the Sunon (rated at 8.9 CFM)
The AKASA is the one im using for the north bridge replacement, it runs at 6000 rpm and looks exactly the same as the standard NB fan (40x40x10) except black with no disco lights!!! :D
The Sunon gives better air flow but whines (7500 rpm),also its 40x40x25 -chunky ...i'll use this in my spare CD-Rom slot for added case cooling (probably on 7v to stop the whine)
I got both these fans here (UK only):-
http://www2.theoverclockingstore.co.uk/

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Well, I've been up and running now for the last week or so with no major issues.
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I noticed one day that what should be an exhaust from the power supply is not an exhaust at all. The air flow is actually into the power supply. I thought this was very unusal. Years ago I actually did have a power supply that had a fan mounted backwards, but that was some cheap case/ps combo in the P2 days.
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What concerns me is that the negative flow results in very little air flowing within the power supply, which could potentially result in the power supply overheating and failing resulting in a MoBo and processor frying.
To clarify again, the power supply is trying to push air out, but the 120mm fan is slightly stronger and is more than neutrallizing any flow through the power supply.
Just a little more info... I do have one 80mm fan in the front of the case sucking air into the case, blowing over the hard drive.
There is another spot for a second 80mm fan in the front, but since I'm not over-clocking and really not producing a lot of heat I didn't think I needed two fans in front.
The only other solution that I can think of is to somehow rig up a verister or sensor on the 120mm fan, but to cover all temperture combinations could result in something very complicated for something that shouldn't be that complicated.
Maybe someone has noticed the same problem and has a solution.
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When you see the specs on a cooling fan it says so many CFM. But really what it should be saying is how many CFM at a given speed and at a given pressure ratio (exit to inlet pressure ratio). For a given speed the relationship between flow rate and pressure ratio is on a negative slope. That is if you reduce pressure ratio, flow rate goes up and vice versa.
Using your example suppose I put in two intake fans that on spec each draws 10 CFM and one exhaust fan that does 15 CFM and lets assume that the case is so sealed that air can only enter and leave the case via the intake and exhaust holes. When you turn this system on both intake fans try to pressurise the case but as the case pressure goes up, so does the pressure ratio acrsss the fans. Recall the slope relationship. What happens is that the flow rate drops across the two intake fans. Similarly as the pressure inside the case goes up, it become a lot easier for the exhaust fan to do its job because its pressure ratio is dropping. So what does really happen in this situation? Well the overall system reaches an equilibrium condition where the two fans deliver just enough air that the exhaust fan takes out. You can also consider extreme cases where you have massive intake fans and a weak exhaust fan. In this extreme case you'd be better off by removing the weak exhaust fan because the pressure across it becomes so low that you would not need it. You can take the argument around and make the case for a powerful exhaust fan and obviate the need for an intake fan.
Then why do we need so many fans if all we need is one powerful exhust or intake fan? This happens because as air enters the case, it follows its least resistance path inside the case. This implies that you may end up with "dead air" areas in some regions of the case which won't be good for heat duild up. Now this does not mean that by a careful rearrangement of the components you would not be able to come up with a configuration that only uses one fan. To that you'd need to use computational flow techniques and mathematically model each component in terms of blockage and the amount of heat being put out. This is quite expensive to do so but this is how its done for the high power computers.

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Since the quicksilver already has a large fan facing the pci, agp and ram, do I still need a fan directly on the above heatsink?
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Right! Now you heard it from someone else, msiguy (Told him so in another thread https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=110924.0).
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