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I need help. My will power is about to break down. Let me explain. I have been a fan of Palm for a very long time, having owned a Kyocera 7135 and a Zire 72. I have been ogling the Pre (more specifically webOS) for over a year now. I was so very excited about the Pre coming to Verizon in January, and have been waiting (albeit some what impatiently. ) for my NE2, which is due very soon. Which leads to my conundrum.
Verizon is set to release their new HTC Incredible, which (pardon the expression,) is nothing short of incredible. Its hardware is really everything I desire in a smart phone (and then some!) The only thing it is lacking is webOS (Sense UI is nice, but still far inferior to webOS.) This shortfall is really enough for me to 'settle' for the Pre Plus, (but let me be clear, I don't think it is settling at all, the Pre Plus is still an amazing device.)
My problem then is this. I hear and read horror stories about faulty Pres and replacements with refurbs. Is this problem really as wide spread as it's made out to be? And with the current financial situation Palm has found itself in, and the possibly(?) strained relationship with Verizon, if I were to get a Pre Plus with new NE2, will my Pre Plus continue to have service?
That brings up another concern. If/When Palm releases their next gen device, will it come to Verizon, given Verizon's failure to really push the Pre Plus? If so, how long will it take before it ends up on Verizon's network? If I use my NE2 now on a Pre Plus, will it be safe to say that the next gen Palm device will be ready in time for my next NE2 in 2012?
My options now are these:
A) Move on, get the HTC Incredible with my NE2
B) Get the Pre Plus with my NE2
C) Wait for an announcment of the next gen Palm device with similar hardware/specs to the Incredible
I really want to choose option C, but am really leaning towards option A. I will choose option B if someone can quell my concerns regarding the Pre Plus and the relationship with Verizon, and a safe estimate for the next gen webOS device not being released on Verizon sometime within the next year.
Thank you for your help!
Also, I should note, my 'loyalty' to Verizon only exists in-so-far-as its really the only carrier with good coverage in my area, and nearly my entire family are Verizon customers, so we really utilize the IN-Network.
Thanks again!
Also, I see these questions have been posted here before, (http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Hardware/Are-the-problems-widespread/td-p/296481) so I may have misinterpreted your reply, (shesh! making a great first impression, aren't I?!)
But, I would like to thank all of you for your input. I have been holding out for the Verizon's Pre for a long time, (late Aug last year,) and have been following the HTC Incredible since February. With all that has happened in the smart phone world already this year, my absolute conviction in getting the Pre Plus has been shaken, and I wanted/needed some assurance that it still really is the best choice.
Thanks again!
[edit: typo fix]
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9 CoreData 0x00007fff97231c87 _PF_ManagedObject_WillChangeValueForKeywithSetMutation + 87
10 CoreData 0x00007fff97238824 -[NSManagedObject(_NSInternalMethods) _excludeObject:fromPropertyWithKey:andIndex:] + 676
11 CoreData 0x00007fff972310dd -[NSManagedObject(_NSInternalMethods) _maintainInverseRelationship:forProperty:oldDestination:newDestination:] + 269
12 CoreData 0x00007fff97235d53 -[NSManagedObject(_NSInternalMethods) _propagateDelete:] + 787
13 CoreData 0x00007fff9723586f -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _propagateDeletesUsingTable:] + 495
14 CoreData 0x00007fff9723563d -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _processDeletedObjects:] + 125
15 CoreData 0x00007fff97219f11 -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _propagatePendingDeletesAtEndOfEvent:] + 81
16 CoreData 0x00007fff972160ab -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _processRecentChanges:] + 1707
17 CoreData 0x00007fff972374f9 developerSubmittedBlockToNSManagedObjectContextPerform + 121
18 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8df570b6 _dispatch_client_callout + 8
19 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8df5c0c8 _dispatch_main_queue_callback_4CF + 275
20 CoreFoundation 0x00007fff93607b4c __CFRunLoopRun + 1644
21 CoreFoundation 0x00007fff936070e2 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 290
22 HIToolbox 0x00007fff8e4a0eb4 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 209
23 HIToolbox 0x00007fff8e4a0c52 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 356
24 HIToolbox 0x00007fff8e4a0ae3 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 62
25 AppKit 0x00007fff9164e563 _DPSNextEvent + 685
26 AppKit 0x00007fff9164de22 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 128
27 AppKit 0x00007fff916451d3 -[NSApplication run] + 517
28 AppKit 0x00007fff915e9c06 NSApplicationMain + 869
29 Growl 0x000000010e43b355 main + 99
30 Growl 0x000000010e435c54 start + 52
31 ??? 0x0000000000000002 0x0 + 2
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff905d1212 __pthread_kill + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90ab2b54 pthread_kill + 90
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90af6dce abort + 143
3 libc++abi.dylib 0x00007fff94b4d9eb abort_message + 257
4 libc++abi.dylib 0x00007fff94b4b39a default_terminate() + 28
5 libobjc.A.dylib 0x00007fff8dfc6873 _objc_terminate() + 91
6 libc++.1.dylib 0x00007fff956f08fe std::terminate() + 20
7 libobjc.A.dylib 0x00007fff8dfc65de objc_terminate + 9
8 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8df570ca _dispatch_client_callout + 28
9 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8df5c0c8 _dispatch_main_queue_callback_4CF + 275
10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff93607b4c __CFRunLoopRun + 1644
11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff936070e2 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 290
12 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff8e4a0eb4 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 209
13 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff8e4a0c52 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 356
14 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff8e4a0ae3 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 62
15 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff9164e563 _DPSNextEvent + 685
16 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff9164de22 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 128
17 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff916451d3 -[NSApplication run] + 517
18 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff915e9c06 NSApplicationMain + 869
19 com.Growl.GrowlHelperApp 0x000000010e43b355 main + 99
20 com.Growl.GrowlHelperApp 0x000000010e435c54 start + 52
Thread 1:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff905d1d16 kevent + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8df59dea _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 883
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8df599ee _dispatch_mgr_thread + 54
Thread 2:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff905cf686 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff905cec42 mach_msg + 70
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff93602233 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 195
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff93607916 __CFRunLoopRun + 1078
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff936070e2 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 290
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff97baf195 -[NSConnection run] + 126
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff97b56cd2 __NSThread__main__ + 1345
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90ab17a2 _pthread_start + 327
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90a9e1e1 thread_start + 13
Thread 3:: CVDisplayLink
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff905d10fa __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90ab5fe9 _pthread_cond_wait + 869
2 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8e4162a1 CVDisplayLink::runIOThread() + 689
3 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8e415fd7 startIOThread(void*) + 148
4 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90ab17a2 _pthread_start + 327
5 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff90a9e1e1 thread_start + 13
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x0000000000000006 rcx: 0x00007fff517ca3f8 rdx: 0x0000000000000000
rdi: 0x0000000000000c07 rsi: 0x0000000000000006 rbp: 0x00007fff517ca420 rsp: 0x00007fff517ca3f8
r8: 0x00007fff7d6b8278 r9: 0x00007fff517ca400 r10: 0x0000000020000000 r11: 0x0000000000000206
r12: 0x00007fff517ca580 r13: 0x0000000000000000 r14: 0x00007fff7d6b9180 r15: 0x00007fff517ca460
rip: 0x00007fff905d1212 rfl: 0x0000000000000206 cr2: 0x00007fff7d6b1ff0
Logical CPU: 0
Binary Images:
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I have the following query which has an outer join and it works perfectly and shows publication paragraph which don't have any maintenance records with a value of 0.
However when I add to the where clause conditions such as lpm.fac_ident and lpm.start_date, the null values no longer show up in the query(see second SQL statement).
I am new at SQL and am just trying to make this outer join work. Any help would be appreciated.
-- THIS WORKS
SELECT m.publication_paragraph, pm.description, pm.frequency, count(l.publication_paragraph) ACTIVITIES_PERFORMED
FROM lpm_paragraph_mapping_table m, lpm l, pm_requirements_table pm
WHERE m.paragraph_alias_mapping = l.publication_paragraph (+)
GROUP BY m.publication_paragraph, pm.description, pm.frequency
order by count(l.publication_paragraph);
-- THIS DOES NOT WORK
SELECT m.publication_paragraph, pm.description, pm.frequency, count(l.publication_paragraph) ACTIVITIES_PERFORMED
FROM lpm_paragraph_mapping_table m, lpm l, pm_requirements_table pm
WHERE m.paragraph_alias_mapping = l.publication_paragraph (+)
AND l.fac_ident = 'EWR' AND TO_CHAR(l.start_date, 'YYYY') = '2010'
GROUP BY m.publication_paragraph, pm.description, pm.frequency
order by count(l.publication_paragraph);
Edited by: George Heller on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 AMfabio_silva wrote:
Hi,
I just didn't get. The table (pm_requirements_table pm) haven't any join ???
Regards,Forgive the ASCII art, but your query looks like:
---------- JOIN ----------
| Alias M | ====> | Alias L |
| Alias PM |
----------- The table pm_requirements_table is not joined at all. Unless it has only a single row, then your resultset will have 1 row for each row in lpm_paragraph_mapping_table (because of the outer join) times the number of rows in pm_requirements_table. Consider this simplified example.
SQL> select * from t;
ID DESCR
1 T 1
2 T 2
SQL> select * from t1;
ID DESCR
1 T1 1
2 T1 2
3 T1 3
4 T1 4
SQL> select 1.id, t.descr, t1.descr
2 from t, t1;
ID DESCR DESCR
1 T 1 T1 1
1 T 1 T1 2
1 T 1 T1 3
1 T 1 T1 4
1 T 2 T1 1
1 T 2 T1 2
1 T 2 T1 3
1 T 2 T1 4Here, my table t is the result from your join between lpm_paragraph_mapping_table and lpm. My table t1 is your pm_requirements_table. You need something more like:
SQL> select 1.id, t.descr, t1.descr
2 from t, t1
3 where t.id = t1.id;
ID DESCR DESCR
1 T 1 T1 1
1 T 2 T1 2Assuming you fix that join, you can use a sub-query to apply the predicates to the lpm as Centinul showed, or, if you are on a current version of Oracle, use ANSI join syntax wich would look something like:
SELECT m.publication_paragraph, pm.description, pm.frequency,
count(l.publication_paragraph) ACTIVITIES_PERFORMED
FROM lpm_paragraph_mapping_table m,
LEFT JOIN lpm l,
ON m.paragraph_alias_mapping = l.publication_paragraph and
l.fac_ident = 'EWR' AND
TO_CHAR(l.start_date, 'YYYY') = '2010'
JOIN pm_requirements_table pm
on something
GROUP BY m.publication_paragraph, pm.description, pm.frequency
ORDER BY count(l.publication_paragraph);Leaving aside the missing join, the reason why your query as posted does not work is that when there is not a match on m.paragraph_alias_mapping = l.publication_paragraph Oracle will "make up" rows form lpm with all null columns for each row in lpm_paragraph_mapping_table where there is no match. So, when you compare those made up rows from lpm, you are effectively saying where NULL = 'EWR' and TO_CHAR(NULL, 'yyyy') = '2010'. Null is never equal to anything. Any comparision against null is unknown, so the made up rows get filtered out by your predicate.
John
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