Need suggestion on Color Profile settings for printing image

I am trying to print the image below on a Xerox Docucolor 242. Im trying to get a better understanding of profiles and all that, which I THINK I do now.
Under Color Settings in Indesign, I have under Working Spaces, RGB is set to my monitor brand and type and CMYK is set to my exact printer. I have both of the Color Management Policies set to Off.
When I print the RGB version of this image, everything looks ok except for a very faded look. Probably noticed mostly because of all the black background that is used. When I print the CMYK version of it, it seems to print nice and dark but there is a strong white halo effect showing around both the flames which doesnt show on the screen or the RGB printout.
Anyone know what settings are causing the faded look in the RGB printout and the halo effects in the CMYK printout?

As others have said, this is a complex process, but one that is solvable.
I agree with others the RGB profile should NOT be the monitor but the profile of the original image. For most midrange cameras this will be sRGB or Adobe RGB depending on the settings in the Camera when the images was captured. It is NOT arbitary and choosing the wrong profile will have a large affect on the image.
The CMYK profile for the printer is more complex. There are two steps in calibrating and profiling a Xerox printer. First the calibration, or linearisation, sets the printer to a known state that can be repeated. This is best done with a spectrophotometer and not the CalorCal software provided by Xerox which uses a known colour chart scanned from the glass of the copier. The glass method of calibration does not calibrate correctly at the black end of the curve actually turns over reducing the available black, and is due to reflections from the glass. Calibration is normally done daily.
When the calibration has been completed a full ICC profile is created by printing a profile chart of some 2000 colours and reading this with the spectrophotometer. This is only valid for a calibrated printer and for the type of paper used. Different papers will require different profiles. It is a once only operation.
Another thing to watch out for is how your RGB images are being converted to CMYK. There is a setting both in the Creative suite and in the printer to set the black compensation. What you want to achieve is the same black as in the original image. In the CMYK case this will be printed as a combination of black toner pus a mixture of CMY to incread the density. The profile takes care of this for you.
Your description of weak blacks suggests that the black me be being printed as pure black toner.
Ian
NZ ColourManagement.

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I've seen tons of info on what color management settings can be used in CS3, but most seemed to favor work for printing. I'm just wondering what settings people think are best for color and B&W photo web work in particular... I already have both the monitor and PS set for 'sRGB IEC61966-2.1', but other than that, there seems to be a lot of opinions. I just want everything to have the best chance of looking the same on other comps as it did on mine. I also have Proof Setup set to 'Monitor RGB'.
Thanks,

1. Calibrate (I use ColorVision's Spyder http://aps8.com/spyder.html , but any hardware calibration device will be better than calibration by eye).
2. Set the Working Space to sRGB.
3. Set the Color Management Policy for RGB to Convert to Working to be sure you are converting content to sRGB. (2 & 3 addressses pfigen's concern about making sure all images are sRGB.)
4. Make sure your monitor is set to use the ICC profile generated by the calibration device.
5. Turn off Proof Colors.
6. Embed profiles or not, but if you do use the sRGB profile. Whether it gets used or not is another story.
As far as B&W, pfigen suggests Gamma 2.2, which would seem to be right for PC. Mac users might consider Gamma 1.8.
This should work well for most situations, but guaranteed consistency is an impossible task at this point.

Color Profile Settings

Hi Everyone,
I am a graphic designer and do a mix of web / print work. I am ashamed to say it but i've never really messed around with color profiles as i've always been afraid to mess things up, so i always kept everything on default settings in photoshop.
I recently bought a new monitor, a Samsung S24SA850. Out of the box I could tell the colors were off right away. I do not own a monitor calibration tool so I tried setting the adjustments on the monitor as best as I could but I was sort of disapointed still. After posting in some forums asking for help someone else who had the same monitor was kind enough to provide me with their color profile which was obtained using a professional calibration tool. After applying this profile in windows 7's "Color Management" application I finaly was satisfied with the colors on my screen.
After a while I realized that when doing work in photoshop and looking at the results in my web browser, the colors were not exactly the same... I opened the "Color Settings" panel in photoshop and saw that I was using the "North America General Purpose 2" setting which I assume is the default, with the RGB working space set to "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" , when I clicked on the drop down to show what the other RGB option were I could see my monitor's custom color profile there so i selected it and saw that the colors in my document changed and it actually reflects the colors that I see in windows or my browser.
I wonder if doing this change can be bad in some way though ? I notice that the setting changed from "North America General Purpose 2" to "Custom" and that because i selected my monitor's custom profile in the working space RGB drop down that now in the "Color Management Policies" options the RGB drop down was set to "OFF" instead of "Preserve Embedded Profiles" which was previously selected before, and I cannot select that option anymore because it is greyed out.
Also when creating a new document in photoshop i notice there is an "advanced" zone, where I can choose a color profile, right now I set it to "dont color manage this document" but am again wondering if this is a mistake...
Basically, I'd really appreciate if anyone could tell me exactly what needs to be changed or if i should change anything at all ? should I go back to the default North America General Purpose 2 settings even though the colors dont look exactly the same as when i view the artwork in other programs/windows/browser ?
Thanks,

Rasta_Cook wrote:
Wait, you mean that i shouldnt use the monitor's custom color profile EVEN in window's "color management" application ?
Well, in your case you should, because you got the profile from somewhere else. But a calibrator will do it automatically - and from that point you don't touch it. Especially not in PS color settings.
If the profile works, by all means use it. But a calibrator may not be as expensive as you think, and will get you a better result. Windows just assigns sRGB by default.
then I can take screenshots and paste them and the color always remain the same
Screenshots is actually one of those special cases I mentioned above. To get it to match, first assign the monitor profile and then convert to sRGB.
The basic principle here is that if the document profile is the same as the monitor profile, color management is disabled because no conversion happens and the document RGB values are sent unchanged to the display. Then everything will match - but it won't be right. With a good monitor profile you can trust Photoshop.

Need suggestion on Color Profile settings for printing image

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