Negative Pre-Delay in Space Designer?

Hi there,
The Logic Pro 7 manual says in reference to reverse impulse responses, that you can set a negative pre-delay in Space Designer. However I can't seem to achieve this neither by typing in a negative, nor dragging the value with my mouse.
Is there something I'm missing?

Dez,
There is a little button that says Reverse near the upper right hand of the graph. Try that... I think that is what you are trying to achieve? If not then I can explain the manual way to do the Pre-Delay. Hope that helps!
~trevor

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