NEO Platinum (754 nForce3) SATA RAID Question

Because my ASUS Mainboard died yesterday, i am planing to buy the NEO Platinum for 754 socket. As i can see in manual, there is option in BIOS to disable or enable RAID function for each SATA port. There are 2x2 separate SATA ports, but only one SATA Controller.
I have 3 SATA Harddisk - 2 are in RAID0 Stripeset, and one drive as normal, standalone drive. My question:
Is it posible to connect the 2 RAID0 drives on SATA ports 3 and 4 and use them as RAID0 Stripeset, but at the same time to connect the 3rd standalone drive on port 1 or 2 in normal mode, also NO RAID use?
Theoraticaly, ase in manual - it should be posible (because you can switch the RAID function on or off for each SATA port, but on the other side - phisicaly - its only ONE SATA controller on board.
I need fast reply, so i can order the board in webshop. Thanx.

Thanx people, but now i habe another question. On my ASUS board i have connected 2 RAID drives on Silicon Image RAID controller - but the NEO Platinum have nVidia RAID controller.
Can i migrate with the RAID drives to another RAID controller without loose of data? I mean, i know that i must install again WinXP, thats no problem - the thing is, i want to keep my data on other partitions untouched. So, i have to boot to nVidia RAID options - to set a new Stripeset, but can i also mark the set as "healthy" and use it normaly (offcourse with fresh XP install on C:)?

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Quote from: Supershanks on 15-August-05, 19:39:15
I'm confused your after nvidia drivers yet spec shows = VIA® K8T800 chipset.
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Quote from: Plumbergeek on 28-February-06, 20:05:17
Read this: http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=340514
I already have read that guide.
"11. Finally press Enter to continue. Raid configuration is now complete and windows will continue loading."
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Originally posted by ZippyGaloo
1. If I only install one SATA drive I have to set it up as a RAID anyway right? Wrong?
2. If I install two SATA drives I have to set it up as a RAID as well right? Wrong?
3. If I install two SATA drives and set up a RAID
(either 0 or 1) which drive does the OS go on?
I have never built a raid array (as yet) and have never owned a SATA disk (as yet), but from what I have read...
RAID is a method of connecting several disks together so they perform as a single disk. That means, in response to your points above:
1) If you install only one drive (SATA or not), it will not be set up as RAID.
2) If you install two SATA drives, you have the option of using them as two individual drives OR setting them up in a RAID 0 or 1 configuration.
3) Ok, RAID 0 is known as "striping" - this method makes two disks look like one big disk, that works twice as fast as the individual drives. Every time the PC writes data to the drive, it sends the first bit of data to drive 1, the second to drive 2, then drive 1 again etc etc. This speeds up the disk read/write time, as the two disks can both work simultaneously. To the OS though, the two drives appear as one. The OS will be spread across both disks - it needs both of them connected to run, take either disk out and you'll be left with half an OS (that obviously won't work)
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Are you sure, that your are using IDE1? (blue slot)
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