Nested style with Glyph?

Hello there,
I have a question setting up a nested style.
I would like to manually enter a number, followed by a tab. (the numbers can't be automatic as some are not in numerical order)
I would like the content to: stay formatted as as [none] up to the arrow, then after the arrow all text needs to be in italics.
The problem is the number of sentences will vary before the arrow (the question) and after the arrow for the answer which need to be formatted as italics.
The arrow (which is the font webdings 3, unicode is <F0C6>)
Can this be done? Or can I not specify the glpyh in this nested style? I have tried a variety of methods. Thanks for your help!

It's actually easier, in some ways, to go the other way. Format the paragraph style to use the italics, then apply a character style up to 1 arrow character (copy and paste it into the dialog) that formats the first part of the paragraph, then apply a second character style to change to Wingdings3 through 1 word.

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apricotanna wrote:
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