New front end issue - services not starting

Have build an additional lync 2013 standard edition server, the setup went through fine without error but the following services will not start and cannot figure out why.
Lync Server Audio Test Service
Lync Server Front-End
Event logs only give the following
This process was not able to update its health status
The IM Conferencing Server failed to send health notifications to the MCU factory at https://Server/????.ac.uk:444/liveserver/mcufactory/.
A component could not be started.  The service has to stop.
Component: Live Communications Applications Module  Error code: C3F2765F!_HRX! (APIEM_E_ESBASE_MISSING!_HRM!)
urn:application:testbot
   Exception: Microsoft.Rtc.ApplicationServerCore.ApplicationServerMethodTimeoutException > ErrorCode: 2 > Message: The method call CallStartAsync failed due to The method timed out. > TargetSite: Void CallMethod() > StackTrace: at Microsoft.Rtc.ApplicationServerCore.ApplicationMethodCaller.CallMethod()
at Microsoft.Rtc.ApplicationServerCore.ApplicationHost.CallApplicationStart() > Source: Microsoft.Rtc.ApplicationServerCore > HResult: -2146233088  
Cant find anything else in the event logs

I have made sure they are all on the same CU update but the new front ends will still not start, following errorsWhere would i see if its a certificate related error as they look ok from the lync deployment wizard?
Event log errors
The UserServices module was not found in the Application List.
Application Uri: 'http://www.microsoft.com/LCS/UserServices'
Cause: The server configuration requires the UserServices module to be registered and active. However the configuration information is not found.
Resolution:
UserServices configuration is installed at setup time. Check the application list and ensure that it is present. If it is not present, reinstall the server. If this problem occurred after you installed a new application, contact the application vendor to rectify
the problem.
Failed to initialize the API subsystem.
Cause: Review earlier events to determine the specific reason APIEM failed to initialize.
A component could not be started.  The service has to stop.
Component: Live Communications Applications Module  Error code: C3F2765F!_HRX! (APIEM_E_ESBASE_MISSING!_HRM!)
The Lync Server Front-End service terminated with the following service-specific error:
%%3287447135

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