New K7N2 Delta-ILSR

Recently i had a motherboard that decided to stop reading the entire eide port 1.  SO with the help of a friend i got a K7N2 Delta-ILSR. WHen i got it i had to reinstall 2000.  When i did so i noticed a serious decrease in speed of the hard drive.  it took hours to format a 20 gig partition.  When i finally got 2000 installed i noticed a slow choppyness about the computer.  I had never seen this before.  after a while of getting very agrivated at the machine i thought looke dthought the book again thingking that i might have did something wrong.  this was not the case.  I recently returned from a 4 day trip to vegas and when i turned my computer on it read my entire harddrive as damaged or unformatted.  i want to believe that it is just the harddrive but it is a newer harddrive and i just had motherboard problems.  
i have never had any problems with the harddrive before i only had error when i installed this motherboard.
my specs are
K7N2 Delta-ILSR
120gb wd 7200
512 of kingston 2100
gforce 3
2100+ amd

im running what ever drivers came with the board....  I m unsure what the versions are...  I was thinking it must be the cable but i traded it out for a known good cable and it still had the same problems ... i have a feeling its the hard drive but i wanted to see if there have been any problems with the K7N2 Delta-ILSR  that i didnt know about....   i guess im gonna have to low level the harddrive or some thing....
im on vacation again so when i get back ill try to replace the harddrive with one that i know works then ill see what the problem is....
i tried setting default motherboard settings... i just thought it was weird when i had been gone and the computer was off.  that when i got back and turned it on everything was gone...

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  • K7N2 Delta ILSR won't boot from FDD or HD

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    When you F6 to install RAID drivers in the Windows XP install and the screen comes up where you are prompted to insert the floppy there is no mass storage device detected.
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    I suspect a problem in either the (South?) bridge that controls the peripherals or the BIOS. I am at a loss how to re-flash the BIOS with out the use of the floppy drive- unless this can be done from a CD-ROM.
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    Quote
    Originally posted by Wonkanoby
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    The IDE 80 wire(counted!) is long end in the board- my plugs are all 3 black. You can't put them in the wrong way becaue of the centre key.
    All the stands are plastic except for two brass ones that are in the centre of the board that go to circular mount pads. That is how the case came and I thought it was a design feature.
    The thing I find most puzzleing is that i can boot a caldera based system that finds everything including the floppy- and read it- (provided you call it drive B!) yet naything DOS based won't go- I have this feeling that it has a screwed up DOS call that is not looking in the right disk sector for NTldr or whatever to boot. I think this is a bios problem- but I am not sure how to find out when you can't boot from the FDD.
    My brother has talked to some tech friends and there word is that this is a weird one- probably a dud board RTS.

  • Fatal Exception on boot with K7N2 Delta-ILSR

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    Ok, we've found a temporary solution to the problem, but it's not one that sits well with my roommate.  We've underclocked the ram down to 266mhz instead of 333mhz and we have it running in single channel mode instead of dual channel.  The system runs ok, and it's only locked once while playing Planetside, but that was about 5 hours into the game and I think it was because of a bug in the game.  If that's the permanent solution, then he'll probably be returning either the ram or the motherboard, depending on which one is having the problem.
    And as much as I love MSI products, I do have to say that I am very disapointed with their technical support.  I mean, honestly, it's pretty lame when you can't call on a friday to get support.  I can understand not being open on saturday and sunday, but to have nobody in the office on a friday is just insulting.
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  • New Modded BIOS for K7N2 Delta ILSR

    MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR Modded BIOS based on Official v. 7.80 BIOS
    download here:

     Description: Access through interface which is on insecure interfaces list detected. Request aborted.
    Interface/Client IP address:
     Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:11:17 GMT
    Doesn't work for me 
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  • HELP me with my K7N2 delta ilsr

    Can anyone help me with this problem. I have just upgraded to MSI's K7N2 delta ilsr motherboard. Its all working quite well apart from the fact that the pc wont start up from cold....at all.
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    The diagnostic led pannel on the back of the pc shows that the cpu is faulty or not installed correctly.
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    I have tried re installing the cpu, which is an XP 2800+ 333 barton, but to no avail.
    I have asked a few questions on other forums, but I cant solve it.
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    2. The mobo or the bios could be at fault. I have not flashed the bios, or upgraded it in any way from original, so is there an issue with the original bios on these boards, and 2800 barton chips??? Could it be a mobo fault? The pc runs fine once the machine is booted.? how do I test it?
    3. The cpu could be faulty? but would this not stop it running fuull stop?
    4. my ram. I have a single stick of OCZ 512mb pc3200 ddr, which I was told would make the pc fly. Not shure on that statement, but is this ram compatible?? could this be the problem?
    Im fairly new to the upgrade side of things, and I need some help with this one.
    Also, Id be really greatfull if some one could talk me through flashing my bios to the latest version, as the thought of doing this narks me a bit...I dont want to mess it up and get a dead pc...
    HELP

    +3.3v 14A
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    +12v 16A
    +5vsb 2A
    -5v 0.5A
    -12v 0.8A
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  • Strange phantom restarts on MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR

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  • Data corruption on MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR

    Hi all,
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    Got some issues with the memory running at 200mhz while the Barton core of my Athlon Xp 2600+ was running 166mhz, this had to be 1:1 (thx forum  )
    While running the default bios settings with cpu/mem at 166/166 fsb everything is stable as hell. I have been running Prime95 for 2 days now and using the system for dvd ripping/encoding, UT2004 gaming etc.
    Then the overclocking began   I'm using the standard AMD cooler that came with my boxed Xp2600+ so I didn't expect an FSB of 200mhz.
    I stopped at an FSB of 190mhz...been crunching Prime95 for 18 hours now and again very stable.
    Now comes the problem : Sometimes I get crc errors when installing a game or decrypting a dvd!! But how can this be? Prime95 is stable at this 190fsb overclock.
    When using an FSB of 166mhz no data corruption or crc errors.
    What can this be? It's not the cables because they're all the same as in my old setup which was running (ahum...walking) stable. PCI/AGP speeds are locked when overclocking...
    Only thing I can think of is the power supply. I've read in a warning post from Bas that the Q-Tec 550w psu I have is crap. So my guess is PSU, but maybe it's something else I'm forgetting...Any suggestions??
    The stupid thing is when I'm not overclocking I don't have the data corruption problems, but I'm still using the same crappy Q-Tec 550w PSU.
    Help!  
    gr,
    Remco

    Hmmm, that's curious. On the MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR product page Kingston memory is recommended  
    Ok, did a Memtest86 v1.11 pass at cpu/dimm 166/166 - no problems whatsoever. I think using Prime95 would have revealed memory problems...but will do another pass with cpu/dimm at 190/190.
    Can overclocking affect the Promise Raid Controller?? It should be locked like the PCI/AGP but who knows...
    Well, I still have to replace my PSU but I'm not 100% sure that this is the problem. What PSU would you recommend? ...and I'm also thinking about replacing the standard CPU cooler, any advice is welcome  
    gr,
    Remco

  • MSI K8T Neo2 F vs. MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR

    Hi there !
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    Since they do not have any XP 3200+ to replace mine, they propose me to replace fro free :
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    - my actual MSI K7N2 delta ILSR by an MSI K8T Neo2 F
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    Since I do not know this new motherboard that has been proposed, I'd like to have advice on if this is a good deal ?!?
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    Not really, unless you really want to oc your cpu. The K8T boards aren't that good in OC-ing. But still, some is possible and you'll be sure that the board is as steady as a rock.
    For a moment I thought you were talking about a Neo board ... but I just saw it's a Neo2. That means Socket 939 -> dual channel RAM.
    The only risk you have now, is that your RAM won't work in dual channel with the CPU. But that's not really a board-problem, more a CPU/RAM-controller related problem. But then, it's still a great offer and chances are good that it will work. If you run into any trouble, RAM-related, just flash bios to version 1.9 and you will probably be just fine.

  • MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR Bios v.7.6 ??When??

    Hello,
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    Quote
    He has confirmed the ports are present on the board....
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  • MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR Nforce2 (Socket A) Motherboard (MB-003-MS) Features NF2 chip

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    Quote from: freakytiki4u on 07-November-06, 23:42:33
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    Using it may end with dead mainboard (BIOS chip re-flash will be required, if somethink goes wrong)

  • MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR Wont boot up (no display no bios)

    Hi
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    hi guys
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    Current 10A/5A
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    30A    50A  15A   1.0A   1.0A   2.5A   COM   P-ON   PG
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    ATX-12V Connector: 1
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    Floppy 4 Pin Connector: 2
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    Quote
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    add some thin oil on its axis. oil for sewing machines.
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  • MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR and Serial ATA Drive

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  • MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR Nforce2

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    I went to JME-Data and purchased an
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    Dedicated output circuitry
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    Alltså är det möjligt att få cpu gå på samma frekvens som minnena om man ökar FSB har några tip så är jag tacksam.
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