New Macbook Pro / Leopard - Choppy graphics performance, sluggish animation

I just got a new Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz 15" featuring the new Nvidia 8600m graphics processor. I previously had the Core Duo Macbook Pro that had the ATi Radeon x1600.
I was expecting the new macbook to be smoother, if not leaps and bounds smoother and more responsive graphically when compared to the previous model. For example, anything animated in Leopard is choppy and staggering like Dashboard, Genie effect, scrolling web pages in Safari. It almost seems like the video card is struggling, or there are driver issues with the Nvidia chips in Leopard and they are not mature yet. Even videos in Quicktime are noticeably choppy. I have tried installing Tiger and the problems are gone, everything is smooth like it should be. I then did a clean re-install of Leopard and choppiness resumed.
Can anyone shed some light on this issue? I've been reading similar reports from others across the web and all seem to point to Nvidia driver issues that could be resolved in 10.5.2. Thanks.

I have the same problem but with my dock. For example the right side of the divider if I have a couple of windows minimized ( safari, finder) and drag a file ( text, .jpg , etc) and move it around the minimized windows move in a very jerky fashion ( to allow space for the file). I had at first just blamed 10.5 because the dock is more fancy then the tiger one, but my girlfriend owns a black macbook and her dock is about 5 x more fluid then mine ( never jerky ). I don't understand how this is possible when my macbook pro have a much better graphics card? I have deleted the plist, downloaded programs to set the dock to default settings. All with no luck.. I really hope 10.5.3 fixes this problem. I hope I have explained my situation properly . Any advice would be nice. I really don't want to have to do a erase and install!!
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31 kbps up (~0.03 Mbps, 4 KB/s) ↑
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64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=1.216 ms
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