New N570GTX Frozr III PE not stable at stock voltage under load

I just built a new system with one new MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE card. I was getting similar behavior in games as other users have reported here (card effectively "reboots" or shuts down for a split second looking at Afterburner). It happend in WoW sporadically (nothing else installed yet), but I think this is because it's not a demanding game, rarely putting a ton of load on the GPU. With 3DMark 11 it was easily repeatable. In fact, the Benchmark Test (free ver) wouldn't even boot up under stock voltage.
I found that under load my card was only drawing a core voltage of .975 and once I bumped it up to +12(.987v) it became stable. Below are the pertinent details along with my question. Stock resting it was .912v and that seems like a common number for this card.
Beta Nvidia 275.50 drivers
Afterburner 2.2.0 Beta 5
Corsair HX750W PSU (plenty of power, and I did play around with switching plugs for the 2 PCI-E cables, no difference)
Now, I've found my issue, which was low core voltage. My question is this though...
Show I be worried that my card was not drawing enough voltage under load with stock settings? Is this indicative of faulty components that might get worse with time? Should I RMA this card for a replacement just to be safe?
If this is nothing to worry about, cool...it will be a pain in the ass to have to run Afterburner all the time, but I guess once I get to overclocking this thing, I'd be doing that anyway. Thanks in advance.

Just got a crash at +12 after an hour goofing around in WoW, so I've bumped it up to +18 (.931v resting, .993v under load).
And yeah, running Afterburner isn't a huge issue. I'm more looking for guidance around if I should RMA this considering it isn't stable out of the box when under load. I know this should be somewhat expected when buying an o/c card, but I'm curious how unique my situation is. I love the card and even if I did RMA it would be for another Frozr III. I just want to make sure that if I need to do this, I do it w/in Amazon's window of return.
My worry is when I do get this thing stable and start to o/c it, I'll be pushing some dangerous voltages to reach speeds other with this card can get to relatively safely.
Edit: It occurs to me that with this second crash, maybe voltage is only part of the puzzle. I thought I'd covered all my bases, but I'd be open to suggestions on other things to tweak or try.
Edit2: I just realized that I made a mistake in the OP. This is a Frozr III PE/OC edition.

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Hello,
Same problem with my card also same model GTX 570 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC not stable at stock clocks 770/4000 (artifacts on 3DMark 11)
I even plan do not OC it and stay on default clocks for now, but today I start bechmarks and notice only in 3DMark 11 artifacts (red sqares/dots) in others benchmarks I don't noticed any, or in games.
I bought it 3 days ago and I thinking to exchange it for another, what are you think is worth ? or could you here help me somehow ? I see is possible to upgrade new updated bios with higher voltage.
Is it 100% safe to flash this in Windows 7 64bit ?
I don't know how to check which voltage is enough for stock clocks ? Is that cards was not tested before they go to market ?
As I know I have to increase the voltage by MSI Afterburner Core Voltage (mV) a little and checking stability/artifacts ?
I checked orginal default voltage VDDC in GPU-Z and is 0,9120V at idle, and 0,9880V at stress.

Quote from: PeterMac on 16-May-11, 21:09:35
I rec video how it's work on default
You think other one should be good ? or maybe all of this cards are not stable on defaults voltage/clocks
Not for all, it should work as is.
Eventually can be fixed with bios update, with voltage bump
So either try bump the voltage until it makes stable then i can make a bios for you,
or rma it

MSI GTX570 TwinFrozr III Power Edition: Unstable at stock settings

Hello,
This is a continuation of this thread:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=148321.0
But to summarize the issue, the card is not stable at stock speeds of 770 core, 1540 shader, 2000 memory.
The stock voltage on this card is 0.962 and may have not been quality tested enough at the factory. With my testing I found that the voltage needed for stability at these stock values is +68 to core voltage in Afterburner (1.031v). I used OCCT 15 minute stress test to verify there were no errors. Anything under 1.031v showed errors at auto fan speeds.
I was told by Henry that I should request a modified vbios from Svet. I am experienced enough to flash the video card, but I want to know if this will void my warranty.
Again, this card is wonderful and overclocks very well, the only problem is that it isn't stable at stock and if I were to ever sell the card to someone who is not experienced enough to over volt or overclock, this card would be assumed as defective.

Quote from: gl0ry on 02-May-11, 07:29:21
Thanks Svet,
I sent you my S/N. Yes, 1.031v seems perfectly stable for stock with auto fan. I am testing one more time to be certain and so far it seems fine.
Also, a question that was never answered. If I flash the bios with the one that you supply, I am still under warranty, correct?
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Also, a question that was never answered. If I flash the bios with the one that you supply, I am still under warranty, correct?
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  I recently purchase a brand new N570GTX Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC. Previous to installing the card I had a gt250 with the latest Nvidia drivers installed (285.62). I installed the n570 and booted up no problems. I was able to see the new card installed in device manager and also confirmed it in afterburner. However, I wasn't able to set or view the voltage settings even after enabling in preferences and restarting afterburner. Although, the remaining settings / stats seemed to work fine. I was also able to do a full kombuster (ultra settings) benchmark with no problems, receiving a decent score and topping out temps in the high 50's I think. I also played a few games and turned up settings with no trouble.
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  If anyone could suggest something other than RMA I would be happy to give something else a try. It seems silly to RMA a card that works so well on first boot until I reboot windows. But I'm out of ideas...
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Gigabyte x58a-ud3r rev2 (newest bios - standard clock speeds - default voltage settings for pcie)
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Thanks for any help.

Also, if it helps to note, on the initial install (both times) the card was stable for hours until I shut down and rebooted. If it were a power issue wouldn't it be unlikely to be stable for such a long time (even during stress tests) and then not even be able to load windows correct after a reset? Seems like a driver issue to me, however as I've said I've tried them ALL haha.
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Quote from: Svet on 16-March-12, 18:35:01
Yes, all cards have such
If its Disabled it will effect anywhere
No
Excuse me, Sir, I do not understand what you mean by "If its Disabled it will effect anywhere".
My understanding is that OCP used to throttle down heat generation and performance of OCCT, FurMark, and the like, but ever since ForceWare 267, it applies to every application. What do you mean by "Disabled"; did you mean enabled? I apologize for my confusion, Sir.
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I have exactly the same issues like the OP.
I bought my video card (N570GTX Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC) 3 days ago and my video card is showing exactly the same symptoms as described by the OP.
I was able to play 2 evenings after hours of problems where my computer system was showing the same artifacts immediately after turning it on. When the system succeeded to boot to Windows the nvidia driver kept crashing over and over again if I did not receive blue screens.
Surprisingly after booting again and again and again and... the system was eventually stable to play 2 hours. After shutting down and turning the computer on again the same problems reoccur.
I did not RMA the card so far because I was trying to isolate the conditions where the card is running stable. I was not successful so far.
My nvidia 8800 GTX works like a charm. All, and I really would like to point that out, all other components are 6 weeks old! Last component I exchanged because of the graphics issues was the PSU. After exchanging the PSU the problem was gone for 15 mins.
@RelevantToSome: Looks like I am using the same memory like you... Compatibility issue?

Quote from: Bernhard on 06-October-12, 05:51:32
Test your 570 in another know working system with a similar GPU.
Are you talking about a similar CPU or GPU?
Of course, both is not available!
Quote from: Bernhard on 06-October-12, 05:51:32
My initial suspicion is a PSU or the card itself.
Quote from: Bernhard on 06-October-12, 05:51:32
Yes, on paper the PSU should be OK, but it may not have the available amps as claimed, i.e. could be defective.
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Quote from: Bernhard on 06-October-12, 05:51:32
If the card works on another system, then test your PSU on the other system.
I have no other system available to disassemble completely. I have 2 PSUs here. Both show the same symptoms...
I purchased this PSU because I also thought my PSU might be defective...
Quote from: Bernhard on 06-October-12, 05:51:32
We can't support your MB, but your BIOS may need an update. Check the MB manufaturers BIOS release notes.
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Quote from: Termo on 21-March-12, 03:31:26
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Thank you very much for your answers, my friends.
What troubles me is the fact that I have no real way of measuring the VRM temperatures; I don't think that the GPU Core temperature is the thermal bottleneck, in this case, or is it?
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Quote from: Svet on 27-March-12, 16:36:12
is your compueter stable if you use another video card?
have you tested this video card in another computer?
My system is stable and so is BF3 with other cards. I upgraded to this card from a 9800 MX2, and that plus my 4 gigs of ram would play the game fine at low-medium for hours on end.
I have tested the card in another computer but not with BF3. I may be able to do that later this week.
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