New Smart Object Via Copy

Hello Everyone.
I have a smart object, and, If I apply Control "J" Or Drag It to the New Layer Icon, It will Duplicate the Layer.
And If I Go to Layer-Smart Objects- New Object Via Copy, It dose the same thing.
What Is the Different between Control J, or Go to Layer- Smart Objects- New Smart Object Via Copy.
Thanks

You can have duplicated smart object layers that share a common embedded object and you can have duplicated smart object layers with independent embedded smart object. To get independent embedded object you need to use Layers>Smart Objects>New Smart Object via Copy. There are several way to create duplicate smart object layer with shared embedded object. Read Photoshop Help on smart Objects
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WS41A5B796-6846-4e95-8459-95243441E126.html

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