New to Internet Forms Deployment.

Hi
I can't seem to get my Oracle Forms to display in any browser. I have tried Foxfire, IE, Google Chrome.
When I try to run the form that I've created, eIther the browser closes or I need to run a plug in manually also the test form doesn't work either.
PLease HELP!
I know this has been asked before, but the answers seem to be hard to follow then the thread goes off topic.

Welcome to the Oracle Forums. Please take a few minutes to review the following:
<ul>
<li>Before posting on this forum please read
<li>10 Commandments for the OTN Forums Member
<li>Announcement: Forums Etiquette / Reward Points
<li>How to ask questions the smart way
</ul>
Following these simple guidelines will ensure you have a positive experience in any forum; not just this one! ;-)
Christian is right, this is a very common topic in the forum. A simple search of the forum would have given you the answer to your problem. ;-)
When installing Oracle Forms, it is always a good idea to reference the Certification Matrix for the version you are installing.
Oracle Forms 10g: Matrix of the Current status of certified browsers/client platforms
Oracle Application Server 10g (10.1.2) Certification Matrix
Oracle Fusion Middleware (Forms 11g) Supported System Configurations
As Christian also mentioned, the Oracle Jinitiator is no longer supported and is completely incompatable with IE 7/8 and FireFox 2.0/3.5+. It is strongly recommended that you use Oracle/Sun JRE 1.6.0, but this will require you to configure Forms Builder to use this JRE version. Take a look at the Oracle 10gR2 Forms Services - Using Sun's Java Plug-in white paper for informaiton on how to modify the Forms Builder configuration.
Craig B-)
If someone's response is helpful or correct, please mark it accordingly.

Similar Messages

  • Performance tuning of forms deployed on web

    This is regarding forms deployed on the Web.
    When a form is deployed on the web, every call form
    results in downloading of the all the images required
    for the toolbar. Analyzing the OAS log files shows that
    more than 90% of the http requests from client to the
    middle tier comprise of requests for these images.
    Is there a workaround to ensure that these images can be
    stored in a .jar file or a .zip file so that whenever
    these are required, the .jar or the .zip file is
    downloaded, thus resulting in significant reduction
    of network traffic?
    Also, is it possible to determine if the client machine is
    using HTTP 1.0 or HTTP 1.1? Since HTTP 1.0 used by the client
    results in the invocation of a new instance for every image
    to be retrieved on the Server. Would there be any work arounds
    for situations as these?
    Also, are there any other measure to improve performance of applications on the web?
    Thanx in advance.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mak_GK:
    This is regarding forms deployed on the Web.
    When a form is deployed on the web, every call form
    results in downloading of the all the images required
    for the toolbar. Analyzing the OAS log files shows that
    more than 90% of the http requests from client to the
    middle tier comprise of requests for these images.
    Is there a workaround to ensure that these images can be
    stored in a .jar file or a .zip file so that whenever
    these are required, the .jar or the .zip file is
    downloaded, thus resulting in significant reduction
    of network traffic?
    Also, is it possible to determine if the client machine is
    using HTTP 1.0 or HTTP 1.1? Since HTTP 1.0 used by the client
    results in the invocation of a new instance for every image
    to be retrieved on the Server. Would there be any work arounds
    for situations as these?
    Also, are there any other measure to improve performance of applications on the web?
    Thanx in advance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    We had the same problem when we deployed forms on web using jinitiator.when we look at the console window we observed that the images are loading again and again.we found the problem was with the image properties
    (animation and frame properties), which you can set using Paint shop Pro or some other software. if the animation is set to repeat indefinetly, then the image will b downloaded indefinetly based on the time you set in the frame properties. we set the animation property to load only one time and that solved our problem. Hope this will help.
    -Mahesh.
    null

  • New In Oracle Form

    Hi,
    I am new in oracle form and i need material for study and if possible someone have ready framework.
    Thanks,

    Well, there is certainly no shortage of reading material available. The question you need to ask yourself is "what do I already know". In other words, it would be helpful if you understood the basics of how a web server works (specifically Apache) and how web content is deployed. For example, just a simply web page. This information will help you to better understand how your Forms application will run.
    Then, to get an understand of the Oracle Forms product you can start by reviewed the documents found in the Overview section of this page:
    http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/forms/documentation/techlisting11gr1-086315.html
    The product document library will cover deployment and installation:
    http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E24269_01/index.htm

  • Form deploy configuration

    Dear Friends
    i know form6i window base application my office decide to web base oracle10g .my application contain 45 from using menu worked perfect.
    1.what are the requirements of deploy oracle 10g forms
    2.how to config default.env file and forms.config please explain step by step configuration
    3.each form work separate run working perfect how to build 45 forms organize web application
    4.how to set url in browser
    i am very new in oracle form 10g please explain step by step how to configuration and deploy in web form fmb or fmx
    any information and books available 10g form please mail email_id: [email protected]
    thanks and regrads
    A.Gopi

    A.Gopi,
    This is a frequently asked question in the Forums. I suggest you simply search the forums on "Upgrade 6i to 10g" and you will find a lot of information on the conversion. Here are a few highlights:
    [ Oracle Forms Upgrade Center | http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/forms/htdocs/upgrade/index.html]
    [ To convert forms oracle6i to forms10g conversion | http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=3658347&#3658347]
    [ Forms 6i to Oracle Forms 9i Upgrade Reference | http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/forms/pdf/forms_upgrade_reference.pdf ]
    I realize the last link is to a Forms 9i document, but it is still very relevant to your conversion question.
    Hope this helps.
    Craig...
    If my response or the response of another was helpful, please mark it accordingly

  • How can I create a new mail custom form shortcut ?

    Hello everyone !
    It's been three hard day of searching for such a simple question:
    How can I add a button to Outlook's ribbon that select a new pre-define form to send ?
    I already have the button but I miss an instruction like that:
    Create new mail with the form located here
    Thank you in advance for helping :D
    (And sorry if there is a mistake, English is not my native language)

    Hello Dark,
    private void CreateMailItem()
    Outlook.MailItem mailItem = (Outlook.MailItem)
    this.Application.CreateItem(Outlook.OlItemType.olMailItem);
    mailItem.Subject = "This is the subject";
    mailItem.To = "[email protected]";
    mailItem.Body = "This is the message.";
    mailItem.Importance = Outlook.OlImportance.olImportanceLow;
    mailItem.Display(false);
    Outlook forms are associated with items based on the message class values. To get a specific inspector window displayed you need to create an Outlook with the associated message class.
    VSTO provides two different ways for customizing the Fluent UI:
    1. Using the ribbon designer: Walkthrough: Creating a Custom Tab by Using the Ribbon Designer .
    2. A raw XML markup: Walkthrough: Creating a Custom Tab by Using Ribbon XML

  • New FIos Internet user

    Hoping someone can help a new FIOS internet user that's not much of a tech person.  I have a new Verizon FIOS connection at home and an ActionTec wireless router connected to a box on the wall by coax cable.  No problem with the wireless connection to my two family laptops, nice strong signal all through the house.
    I want to connect two powered switches by ethernet cable to the ports on the router.  One to connect my DirectTV box and bluray player so they have internet connections, and one in my basement to run a desktop PC that doesn't have a wireless card in it.  Are there any problems with this?  Does Verizon allow me to have two separate switches connected to the router which then power multiple items?  Thanks!
    Solved!
    Go to Solution.

    You should have no problem connecting a switch to each of two ports on the Actiontec, and then feeding multiple devices from those switches.  I'm doing that myself.
    However, I don't understand why you need a switch in the circuit between the router and the desktop PC in the basement.  If there's only going to be one device connected in the basement a direct run of Cat 5e or Cat 6 cable from an Actiontec port to the basement PC should do the trick. 

  • Browser based InfoPath form deployed on a Claims based Web Application calling a Secure Web Service via Data Connection

    hi,
    We have a Browser based InfoPath Form deployed on a Claims based Web Application. We are tyring to call WCF Services that are secure using Certificates via the Data Connections on Infopath Form.
    Earlier we used to get the Data in BCS External List via the WCF Services and the Data Connections used to get the Data from the BCS External List. Due to Performance Issues, we want to remove the BCS External List and straightaway call the secure WCF Services
    via the Data Connections.
    Have anyone implemented this scenario.
    Thanks
    Ram
    Thanks Ram

    Hi Ram,
    As these are browser based InfoPath forms, you have two options 
    1) Deploy as sandboxed forms
    In this case you have to create a secure store application id and then set the credentials for that account.
    You then have to export the data connection to Data connections library and modify the .udcx file to utilize the newly created secure store application id.
    This may sometime give issues related to sandboxed code service. You have to give permissions on the secure store for the user account which the sandboxed code service is running.
    2) Deploy as administrator approved forms
    This would be ideal way of doing things as you have full control over the web request if you write code behind InfoPath forms.
    3) Deploy as a Hybrid solution
    a) Write a full trust proxy solutions (extend SPProxyOperation class and override execute method) and make the web request call inside this and return the response
    b) Invoke above operation from the sandboxed InfoPath form's code behind by SPUtility.RegisteredProxyOperation(four part assembly name, operation args)
    Hope this helps.
    Thanks,
    Srikanth

  • 10.1.3 HumanTask Forms deployment error is it a BUG

    Hi,
    Any one I am getting the following error. I have installed SOA 10.1.3 Midtier and am using OID as security provider. Now I am trying DocumentReview Sample but am getting the following error:
    Buildfile: C:\Oracle_Software\1013\soa\bpel\samples\demos\DocumentReview\build.xml
    validateTask:
    [echo]
    | Validating workflow
    [validateTask] url is file:/C:/Oracle_Software/jdevstudio10132/integration/bpm/support/files/WorkflowTaskDefinition.xsd
    [validateTask] Validation of workflow task definitions is completed without errors
    deployProcess:
    [echo]
    | Deploying bpel process DocumentReview on localhost, port 7779
    [deployProcess] Deploying process C:\Oracle_Software\1013\soa\bpel\samples\demos\DocumentReview\output\bpel_DocumentReview_1.0.jar
    [deployProcess] Successfully deployed the process "DocumentReview" on server "localhost" and port "7779"
    deployTaskForm:
    [echo]
    | Deploying workflow form for DocumentReview on localhost, port 7779
    [deployTaskForm] 07/07/07 08:25:19 Notification ==>Application Deployer for default_DocumentReview_1_0_DocumentReview STARTS.
    [deployTaskForm]
    [deployTaskForm] 07/07/07 08:25:19 Notification ==>Operation failed with error:
    [deployTaskForm] parent application (orabpel) is not found!
    [deployTaskForm]
    [deployTaskForm]
    [deployTaskForm]
    [deployTaskForm] Deploy error: Deploy error: Operation failed with error:
    [deployTaskForm] parent application (orabpel) is not found!
    [deployTaskForm]
    [deployTaskForm]
    BUILD FAILED
    C:\Oracle_Software\1013\soa\bpel\samples\demos\DocumentReview\build.xml:98: Error while deploying the form on server "localhost" Error message :
    java.lang.SecurityException
         at oracle.ide.IdeCore$7.checkExit(IdeCore.java:177)
         at java.lang.Runtime.exit(Runtime.java:88)
         at java.lang.System.exit(System.java:868)
         at oracle.oc4j.admin.deploy.cmdline.Oc4jAdminCmdline.executeCommand(Oc4jAdminCmdline.java:127)
         at com.collaxa.cube.ant.taskdefs.DeployForm.deployIAS(DeployForm.java:750)
         at com.collaxa.cube.ant.taskdefs.DeployForm.deployForm(DeployForm.java:548)
         at com.collaxa.cube.ant.taskdefs.DeployForm.deployForms(DeployForm.java:814)
         at com.collaxa.cube.ant.taskdefs.DeployForm.execute(DeployForm.java:840)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.UnknownElement.execute(UnknownElement.java:275)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Task.perform(Task.java:364)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.execute(Target.java:341)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.performTasks(Target.java:369)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeSortedTargets(Project.java:1216)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTarget(Project.java:1185)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.helper.DefaultExecutor.executeTargets(DefaultExecutor.java:40)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTargets(Project.java:1068)
         at oracle.jdevimpl.ant.runner.AntLauncher.launch(AntLauncher.java:321)
         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
         at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
         at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
         at oracle.jdevimpl.ant.runner.InProcessAntStarter.runAnt(InProcessAntStarter.java:295)
         at oracle.jdevimpl.ant.runner.InProcessAntStarter.mav$runAnt(InProcessAntStarter.java:43)
         at oracle.jdevimpl.ant.runner.InProcessAntStarter$1.run(InProcessAntStarter.java:71)
    Total time: 45 seconds
    Thanks for any feedbacks.

    Hi HEWizard,
    I have set the ORACLE_HOME that points to SOA install directory i.e.
    C:\Documents and Settings>echo %ORACLE_HOME%
    C:\Oracle_Software\1013\soa
    One more thing is that if I install the Developer Version and even though the ORACLE_HOME is not set this works fine i.e. DocumentReview it's only that in the Midtier install version it doesn't work.
    The BPELProcess gets deployed and even the task is assigned but when logging into worklist and selecting the task I see the following error:
    Not Found
    The requested URL /default/DocumentReview/1.0/DocumentReview/DocumentReview.jsp was not found on this server.
    Oracle-Application-Server-10g/10.1.3.1.0 Oracle-HTTP-Server Server at localhost Port 7779
    It's because at deployment time I get that security error and parent application not found and it never deploys the jsp's. Now in the logs I don't see anything. It's only in JDeveloper I see those errors at deployment time. Here is the domain.log:
    <2007-07-07 18:22:44,500> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube> <ServerManager::loadDomain>
    Oracle BPEL Server version 10.1.3.1.0
    Build: 0
    Build time: Mon Oct 09 08:44:49 PDT 2006
    Build type: release
    Source tag: PCBPEL_10.1.3.1.0_GENERIC_061009.0802
    <2007-07-07 18:22:45,140> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <CubeEngine::load>
    Initializing BPEL domain from descriptor file
    "C:\Oracle_Software\1013\soa\bpel\domains\default\config\domain.xml"
    <2007-07-07 18:22:45,406> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <gsDomainSchemaManager::validateCompatibility> Detected database version '2.0.51'
    <2007-07-07 18:22:45,406> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <AdaptorManager::load> Loaded adaptors for platform 'ias_10g', datasource 'oracle'
    <2007-07-07 18:22:47,656> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <AdapterStats::init:Done initializing Adapter statistics holder for engine > default
    <2007-07-07 18:22:47,656> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <CubeEngine::init>
    OraBPEL "default" BPEL domain loaded.
    <2007-07-07 18:22:53,046> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <CubeEngine::loadAllProcesses>
    Loading processes for BPEL domain "default" ...
    <2007-07-07 18:22:55,500> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment> Process "TaskManager" (revision "1.0") successfully loaded.
    <2007-07-07 18:22:57,234> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment> Process "TaskActionHandler" (revision "1.0") successfully loaded.
    <2007-07-07 18:22:57,953> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment> Process "DocumentReview" (revision "1.0") successfully loaded.
    <2007-07-07 18:22:58,000> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine> <CubeEngine::loadAllProcesses>
    3 processes have been loaded for BPEL domain "default".
    <2007-07-07 18:23:33,062> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.services> <QuartzPublisherInit::init> Notification Retry publisher scheduled at every 15 minute(s)
    <2007-07-07 18:26:23,500> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.compiler> validating "C:\Oracle_Software\1013\soa\bpel\domains\default\tmp\.bpel_DocumentReview_1.0_e61483a0d5e873d381ae6bfbeaed5c60.tmp\DocumentReview.bpel" ...
    <2007-07-07 18:26:30,671> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment> <CubeProcessFactory::generateProcessClass>
    Process "DocumentReview" (revision "1.0") successfully compiled.
    <2007-07-07 18:26:30,750> <INFO> <default.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment> Process "DocumentReview" (revision "1.0") successfully loaded.
    Now even though the log says process deployed successfully it only deploys the BPEL Process but no jsp forms deployed. I hope there's nothing special we have to do. This issue can be recreated by installing the Midtier version of SOA and configure it with OID and then try deploying DocumentReview Process provided in the demos.
    I hope I have provided all the information.
    Thanks and waiting for a feedback as we have to decide on whether we go using BPEL 10.1.3 and this is a critical piece of it.

  • Problem with a primary key when creating a new record in Forms

    My table has a field - MDD_KEY - that is a primary key. It is updated from a sequence with a before-insert database trigger. I know this works properly as the primary key was accurately populated when I inserted 1433 records.
    In Forms 6, I have a form based on that table. I have set the mdd_key as a hidden field because I assume it will be entered by the before-insert trigger. However, when I enter data into the table, and then try to save it, I get a FRM-40202: Field must be entered. - followed by - FRM-40222: Disabled item MDD_KEY failed validation.
    If I set DATA Required to no, when I try to save I get an FRM-40600: Record has already been inserted - but no such record exists in the database. I know this record is unique and does NOT exist because I deliberately made it up.
    In the property palatte, the attributes of the field are:
    DATA Data Type Number
    Required Yes
    DATABASE Database Item Yes
    Primary Key Yes
    Query Only No
    Query Allowed Yes
    Query Length 0
    Insert Allowed Yes
    Update Allowed Yes
    Update Only if Null No
    Lock Record No
    I assume that my problem is that with a new record, the form wants to see the MDD_KEY populated before it saves - but that isn't going to happen until the before insert trigger fires in the database. I assume I have to populate that field within forms, but how do I do that without messing up the database trigger/sequence? I will have to load more data directly into the database - so I need the database trigger in place.
    I have not used primary keys before so I am more than a little bit confused about how and when it should be populated when a new record is created in Forms.
    Any help would be appreciated as I cannot enter new data into my form (works well with existing data).
    Thanks
    Glenn

    hi
    if u have any problem using seq then try that statemetn ur block level in ur form
    PRE-INSERT trigger
    select nvl(max(nvl(srno,0)),0)+1 into :srno from tablename;
    Rizwan

  • New to Adobe Forms and need help with Submit Email button

    I am new to Adobe Forms in Windows.  I created a form with a submit email button.  When users try to click the button, the message is operation cannot be completed.  My test user has Adobe Reader 9 installed.  I'm at a loss as to how to resolve the issue.  Please assist.  TIA!

    Three different aspects
    1. Set the form up to submit the data (XML or FDF), not the full PDF. You can import the data to the PDF on your end.
    2. You can turn on Extended Reader Rights, but then limit the use/users to 500 by the EULA. The applicability of this option depends on your intended application. In a small office, it would be fine. For general web use you would likely exceed the limit and be in violation of the EULA.
    3. There may be an e-mail problem, one reason that e-mail is not recommended for form submission (even if the manual discusses it). Again, in a controlled environment like an office it will probably work fine, but in a web setup it is best to use a web script. There are 2 problems with e-mail that both depend on the client system (YOU have no control, but will be blamed in any case). First, the client machine has to be set up as an active MAPI client. Many folks do not have this on. Second, some e-mail clients treat PDFs like text and the result is a corrupt e-mail submission, even if it makes to you.
    If you have the possibility of web submission, do it. I suggest only having the form data submitted and not the form.

  • Connecting to new wireless internet makes macbook stop functioning?

    When i connect my mac book pro to wifi internet it stops functioning. When airport is switched off it works fine. Anybody know why?
    The strange thing is i recently moved and when i take the laptop back to my original home it connects to the wireless internet fine and the laptop works great. I only have an issue when i try to connect to the new wireless internet at my new place??

    Hi adamtreff!
    I have a couple of articles that can help you isolate this issue a little further. First, you will want to be sure you are using the correct settings for you Wi-Fi router. These are the recommended settings on your router for best compatibility with iOS and OS X devices:
    iOS and OS X: Recommended settings for Wi-Fi routers and access points
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4199
    Next, you will want to troubleshoot your Wi-Fi connectivity. There are some helpful troubleshooting steps located in this article:
    Wi-Fi: How to troubleshoot Wi-Fi connectivity
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4628
    Thanks for coming to the Apple Support Communities!
    Regards,
    Braden

  • Print Preview in RFx does not show new Adobe Interactive Form

    Hello Experts,
    I am trying to assign a standard Adobe Interactive form as the output form for SRM RFQ.  I have carried out the following steps in customising under "Define Actions for Document Output".
    - Selected bid invitation Action Profile = BBP_PD_BID
    - Go to "Processing Types"
    - Create a new Processing Type called "External Communication"
    - Set the following values to the new processing type:
         - Form Name = BBP_BID_INV_ADB
         - Form Type = P PDF-Based Forms
         - Format = BBP_BID_INV_ADB_MAI
         - Personalization Type = 5 - Recipeient Variable Replacement
    - Save Changes
    My problem is that when I go to into the BID (RFx) and click "Print Preview" it picks up the standard Smartform, not the new Adobe form I have added as required.
    Please can you advise of any additional config settings or other steps required to ensure that the Adobe Form is called when I click "Print Preview"?
    We are on SRM 7.0.
    I look forward your response.
    Regards,
    Matt

    Hi Matt could you please tell me how do you solve your issue? I have the same and I cant find the solution.
    Thanks a lot
    Kind Regards

  • Trouble accessing internet form my iMac

    Hi, having trouble with accessing internet form my iMac. Both Wi-Fi and Ethernet ports show up and running properly, the ISP checked the gear and it's all up, however, I can't get out on the internet.
    I ran network diagnostics sveeral times, it allways gets to the point ISP is still green and then fails at internet access...
    Sporadically it allows a page or 2 and then it goes back into "freeze" ...
    Tips, anyone ?
    Many thanks

    Same Assist Me button where Diagnosics is - have you tried using Setup Assistant?
    Maybe this will help:
    http://support.apple.com/kb/PH10668

  • Forcing users to select existing properties in New User Request form

    Hi,
    We have just started using Service Manager and Orchestrator.  So far we have successfully managed to create user accounts using orchestrator and service manager.  Now we want to start forcing users to utilise the information we already have in
    our existing Active Directory environment.
    So for example, in the new user request form we want users to select an existing "office" using the attributes already in Active Directory as opposed to allowing them to type in an office and potentially accidentally misspelling the office name.
     What we would like to see is a unique list of offices and a user to select  
    How can this be achieved?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks

    Well, if you don't want to create a list manually, create a sealed management pack that defines the root of the new enumerator. Then create a workflow that will pull all users from AD, build the list of the locations used in AD and update the child enumerators
    if required.
    Cheers,
    Marat
    Site: www.scutils.com 
    Twitter: LinkedIn:
    Graveyard:

  • New features of Forms 6i

    Hi,
    we want to migrate to Forms 6i,
    so want to know what's new in Forms 6i,
    New features of Forms 6i would be very helpful for giving presentation to management.
    Thnax
    Mehul
    null

    Hi..
    i got it..
    http://technet.oracle.com/products/developer/ http://www.oracle.com/tools/InternetDevTools/
    Thanx
    Mehul
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mehul (mehul.intec-software.de):
    Hi,
    we want to migrate to Forms 6i,
    so want to know what's new in Forms 6i,
    New features of Forms 6i would be very helpful for giving presentation to management.
    Thnax
    Mehul<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    null

Maybe you are looking for