New to MAC: Clip vs. Sequence format issues causing slow Quad w/FCP?

Hi all,
I'm brand spanking new here and a recent Mac convert from Vegas. I figured that if I was going to upgrade, I would do it right. Don't get me wrong, I love Vegas, it's just that I'm tired of PC hardware conflicts and wanted to hop on the just-plug-it-in mac bandwagon and the ever increasing market share for FCP. Although the learning curve has been steep with FCP, I consider myself pretty savvy with Vegas and now a novice with FCP, I like the interface and there are certainly pros and cons. So far so good, but I have many questions.
This Quad has so much horse power and I'm having to render all the time. I am doing compositing and green screen stuff, but I'm thinking that with SD footage, the computer should be running sleek at satin.
I recently read another post in here that had a lot of off-topic discussion. I'm ignorant on the clip versus sequence settings and how they relate. In Vegas, most of these settings were automatic. In other words, whatever footage I threw at it, it dealt with. My footage was captured using default settings in Vegas and everything is in .avi format. When I was first bringing clips into FCP, the software suggested I use media manager to convert the files but I didn't want to suffer quality loss so I ignored it. Now that I have a rough cut of the entire 16 minute project, I'm starting to apply filters and effects and am noticing a bog down.
Now mind you, things are still faster than my old Pentium 1.4Ghz, but with 10Ghz under the hood (who would have imagined it possible?) I know it should run smoother.
Sorry I'm being so verbose, but my knowledge of formats is weak so I want to cover the bases. We shot on a DVX100A and mostly wide screen setting. In retrospect, this was a mistake as the DVX100A in wide screen simply puts black stripes on my clip versus being able to utilize the whole thing. Anyway, hind site is 20/20.
Here is my clip information.
.avi
29.97 fps
720 x 480
DV/DVCPRO - NTSC
Data rate: 3.6MB/sec
Pixel aspect: NTSC - CCIR 601
Field: Lower(Even)
Alpha: None
Composite: Normal
Audio is 48 and 16
It is possible that I captured the video in the wrong format. I have to use the "anamorphic" setting in FCP to make the footage look as though it's in the right aspect ratio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but anamorphic requires the use of a special lens when shooting yes?
I'm wondering if I should recapture the footage using FCP or will using Media Manager sort things out? If so what is the best way to do this as I don't want to lose anything that I've done. And is it even possible to recapture the clips without screwing up everything that I've already done, about sixty hours of work so far.
Worse comes to worse I'll just work with things moving slowly and stick it out until this project is done and then use FCP's cool logging/capture interface next time around. By the way, I captured this stuff long before I bought the MAC.
Any help on this would be appreciated.
Tyler
G5 Quad Mac OS X (10.4.6) 2.5GB RAM

Hi,
I spoke with the DP and it was definitely not shot anamorphic. Most of the footage was shot in 16:9 format which, on the DVX100 means that there is a black strip on the top and bottom of the clips as you probably know.
I recaptured a clip from scratch into a new project using the easy setup dealio in FCP. It is standard 3:2 and the clip looks fine. In my existing project is where I have a bit of a jumbled mess I'm afraid. I have a clip that looks fine in it's sequence, but when placed into the Main sequence, which has the same settings, it appears in a different aspect ration.
Yikes, I'm going to keep playing around. I'm starting to get a feel for what the format should be. I'll post again tomorrow when I have a better idea of how to answer your question.
Thanks for taking the time to pipe in here Denis.
Tyler
thealmost
Tell us more about your footage. In your original
post you say you shot in "letterbox" mode, i.e. fake
widescreen with the bars top and bottom. Yet you say
your sequence has to be put in anamorphic mode for
this footage to look right.
If that's the case, something is wrong. Footage
that's letterboxed in the camera is 4:3, not
anamorphic, and if you checked the anamorphic box for
this kind of footage it would look squished.
I'm thinking that you could have genuine anamorphic
footage, that you are working with in 4:3, which
would be taxing your system somewhat. It's not clear
(to me anyway) from your original post.
Can you clear this part of your problem up?

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Hi Guys...me again. I've been reading the manual all weekend...and decided that, since I SCREWED with this compressor thing...that I'd try to prevent the problem from happening again. I need to know if I'm on the right track.
I'm working on a video of our show (animal show) and I am creating a dozen or so "mini clips" in the timeline, one for each animal segment, each contains a/b roll, effects, etc. I DO NOT have these clips linked togeter yet...I've left a gap in the timeline between each clip, in order to grab and move them around as I see fit.
I was thinking...(a dangerous past-time for me) that "Gee, Mark, wouldn't it be swell if I could make each of these little animal clips into independent clips, so if I screw up, or have to go back and tweak it later...I don't have to deal with this **** compressor and ripping apart my work? ".
SO...I read the manual, and it seems that I can do this. The option in the menu is to make an independent clip, but when I highlighted my video/auido files in the clip area, and clicked the independent clip button, nothing happened. Does this mean that it recorded it somewhere on my project drive? i could not seem to find it. Also, should I just Modify it by making a New/Duplicate Master CLip?
Does this sound like I'm on the right track?
I'm just trying to prevent my "other" (freakin' compressor) issues from having to happen again.
THANKS AGAIN!
MW

No. That is not what it means.
Make independant clip removes the link between the timeline clip and the clip in the browser that the timeline clip came from. In otherwords, it will keep you from matching back to that clip in the browser.
I don't know what issues you have with compressor, but if you want your segments to be self contained clips, export them as self contained quicktimes (using Export QuickTime Movie... leave it at Current Settings... and set Self Contained). Then you can bring them back in and arrange them in your timeline as you see fit, they will be entirely self contained...
Patrick

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