New Xserve: Which Rack to Buy?

Hey guys,
We just bought a new Xserve Quad-Core w/ a Raid Card and 3 2TB HDs. I'm trying to figure out the best small rack to buy for it. The only thing that we'll be mounting in it for the time being is the Xserve.
First, I bought this rack: http://www.amazon.com/Solid-Versatile-Mounting-Servers-Network/dp/B000NMDIPE/ref =cmcmu_pg_header
The Xserve mount kit (square hole) fit on the inside flanges, but obviously didn't work because the Xserve could not slide in all the way. Then I ordered another rack:
http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=4025
Same situation. It's obviously because of the fact that the uprights have a "C" shape and not an "L" shape. So I need a small, Xserve compatible rack recommendation. Preferably open and not an enclosure, and under $500. Any suggestions?

I personally think that for a 1u xserve you should get an xrack pro. There a little more expensive but are amazing i think. They pretty much sound proof the xserve and keep it very cool. They also come with a glass door that locks.
Just my opinion

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We run Filemaker Server, and I wondered which initial setup option would be optimal – NO raid, with the OS on one drive, and the database file(s) on another; or one big RAID5 volume with everything on it? I guess with 3 internal drives, we could go for a single drive (OS) plus a 2-drive RAID for files (either mirrored or striped for speed). If we bolt on a couple of 500Gb Firewire drives which we have 'spare' that would allow for backups of both volumes.....?
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This confuses me (from setup guide):
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Apologies for the lengthy post.
We're looking to update an older dual G5 XServe to a new Nehalem model. Our current server handles file sharing (AFP & SMB) and is our OD Master (we have 5 other XServes). It's connected via Fibre to an XServe Raid configured with 4 active drives (250 GB each) and a standby backup drive. It total we have @ 700 GB of usable storage. We have a cloned system drive in the machine, and another offsite. We also have extensive Firewire data backups, including offsite.
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Would I be correct in assuming I could expect similar/better performance from the new drives as opposed to the old XServe RAID? Will the G5 XServe's Fibre Card fit the new XServe?
Are the Solid State Drives user swappable? I was thinking perhaps a second SS drive with a cloned system as a backup.
Can a boot partition be setup on this RAID setup as a backup to the Solid State Drive? What's the general feeling with regards SS Drives? Are they worth considering or should I just stick to 'conventional' technology?
Will these XServes boot OK from a firewire device?
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Would I be correct in assuming I could expect similar/better performance from the new drives as opposed to the old XServe RAID?
Comparable direct-attached storage (DAS) disk storage tends to be faster than SAN storage, yes.
And you can connect DAS via SAS or SAS RAID PCIe controller, an older PCI-X controller, or via FireWire or USB buses. PCIe disk interconnects will be the fastest path, and USB the slowest.
Here, I'd tend to consider the Apple RAID controller or a PCIe RAID controller if I needed extra bays.
Will the G5 XServe's Fibre Card fit the new XServe?
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Are the Solid State Drives user swappable? I was thinking perhaps a second SS drive with a cloned system as a backup.
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Can a boot partition be setup on this RAID setup as a backup to the Solid State Drive? What's the general feeling with regards SS Drives? Are they worth considering or should I just stick to 'conventional' technology?
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AFAIK, yes. I haven't had to do that, but that's been a longstanding feature of Xserve boxes.
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HTH,
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