Newbie Athlon xp overclocking question

I have not been in the habit of overclocking processors since the early pentiums (when it was simple multiplier changes), and have a question about modern athlon XP's
How do I know how much I can overclock the processor (an Athlon XP 2000+) safely, and which parameters on a K7N2G-ILSR board can cause significant damage ?
What performance increase is likely, and is it worth it ( I know we sometimes push it just cos we can...) )
Is there a newbie guide to overclocking somewhere that i could refer to ?
Thanx
Brummieman

The MOST interesting question is still not answered though.... what effect does the overclocking have on "true" applications?
Overclocking my 2100+ on the K7N2-L to 13*166 oviously catapulted my proccessor benchmarks up to the performances between 2400+ and 2800+, depending on the test, the results in 3d-mark went up from 8000 to 8500 for exsample even though you get the same result already with a fsb of 150 due to the lower performance on higher temperatures, but the results in sandra were quite outstanding (compared to the standard settings.
The use in application I still doubt at present (when do we really use our performance???)
ripping a DVD to SVCD with DVDx saved me something between 7 and 15mins for exsample, I do not see the use in running my system on the edge for that, as i stated before, I just wanted to see what is POSSIBLE....
I now run my system with fsb 150 again, which showed the same temperatures (idle and after 10 3dmarks) as with standard 133.
What did you guys experience?
Are you sure he should go high enough for the syastem to crash completely so you need the 100mhz setup???
I`d think slowly rising step by step, run tests watching the temp readings until you get the first faults is safer and you feel like a scientist lol! OK, your methode has the advantage of the adrenalin kick

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Hi All,
A few quick newbie 10.8 Server questions:
1) Airport Extreme - I currently have an Airport Extreme attached to one of my workstations which is serving as my main router with a dedicated IP. I'm just in testing mode with my new server and wondering if I need to do anything to the Airport's configuration to make it work with the Server? Does the Server need to administer the functions of the AirportExtreme? Or is it ok to leave it attached to the workstation? Or does it not make any difference?
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Thank you !!!!!

1) Airport Extreme - I currently have an Airport Extreme attached to one of my workstations which is serving as my main router with a dedicated IP. I'm just in testing mode with my new server and wondering if I need to do anything to the Airport's configuration to make it work with the Server? Does the Server need to administer the functions of theAirportExtreme? Or is it ok to leave it attached to the workstation? Or does it not make any difference?
The Server app is not required to manage your airport.
The server app can automatically open ports for you, so it makes life easier for a home-server-administrator.
Continue managing your Airport or whatever NAT router you prefer any way you choose.
2) Automount Shared Folder/Drive - I would like my users (who are mostly using MacBookPros with they take home and bring back to work) to be able to Automount our shared data drive when they come in to work. I read the help section regarding AutoMount, but it a) referred to using ServerAdmin, which I understand has been eliminated from 10.8 (dont know why they are still referring to it in the help!) and b) it talks about AutoMounting Home Folders, but not shared Drives/Folders.
You can drag a mounted sharepoint to the right-side of a user's dock.
It will then remember the sharepoint, and its 1-click to open it when needed,
This is my preference with laptops.
You can also add the sharepoint to your user's login items (on their workstations, System Prefs, UsersGroups/, User, Login Items - I don't like to do this with laptops because it causes a login delay when they aren't in the locaiton of the sharepoint.
Either method is simple.
I even use Safari bookmarks to get people to a server. Go to the addressbar and type: afp://[email protected] (with your real IP) then bookmark it. You can also drag that that URL to the desktop to have a location file which will ALSO take you to the server.
So Lots of ways... Depends on users/environment.
3) Firewall - I have a static IP and want my users to be able to connect using VPN. I am buying a SSL for the domain. Wondering if the combination of the built in firewall, plus the SSL, plus the built in VPN is secure enough, or should I be investing in a solution such as the SonicWall TZ100.
If you aren't going to have anything except for VPN open to the public, then you won't need SSL.
VPN, but nature, is already encrypted and does not use SSL.
If you will run Mail, Web, Calendar, Contacts, etc and don't want to requires users to VPN, then you should use SSL.
TIP: Fromt the start, use a fqdn for your server. Don't use a .private or something fictitious.
If you own mydomain.com, then setup myserver.mydomain.com and make it your server's hostoname from the get-go.
Later, you'll be glad you used a proper FQDN
Jeff

Newb Overclocking Questions?

I'm just started overclocking and have a ram question. My ram, which is only Corsair 512x2 Value Select, shows that it's running at 2.5, 3, 3, 8, 2T. Now if i'm overclocking i want to lower or raise these numbers to make everything more stable? I thought you would want to tighten them, make them lower, but i'm confused after reading some stuff if i actually want to raise them since i'm overclocking the cpu.
Also there are two different types of voltages (or at least numbers i can raise one reads like 66 right now the other is a straight voltage, i believe it's at 2.5V right now) for my AGP card, which from what i'm hearing is something i would need to raise as well when overclocking, what's the diffrence between these two? I realize one is a voltage, what's the 66 number one for? thanks

66 stands for 66 mhz which is the speed the agp slot works at.
on some boards you need to set it to 67mhz for the agp lock to work.
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2.5, 3, 3, 8, 2T
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K8N Neo 2, newbie overclocking question

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Overclocking Questions

Hello all,
I know i'm going to ask some n00b questions about overclocking but if someone could give me some answers i would be grateful.
So here are my puters specs:
MSI K7N2 Delta L mobo
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Can i do it only by altering the FSB speed?
Also what should i do with the RAM and the AGP, PCI Bus?
Thank you in advance and Merry X-mas to all

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Overclocking question

Hey all! I'm just bought a new comp and am new to this board. I have a pretty nice system put together(at least im my opinion. It's been running flawlessly for the past few months but i want to get a little more out of it considering there is a 4 comp LAN set up at my house and I am usually running server. My question is what all do i need to do to overclock to get as much performance as possible. It's running at 2.09GHz now and I'd like to overclock to about 2.5. The problem is when i try to up the multiplier it shows a lower speed. When i increased the multiplier in Bios by 1 for CPU speed it read 833MHz. Is there something wrong or am i just missing something really simple here. Thanks for the help in advance.
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Athlon XP 2600+ 333FSB
512 MB Kingston DDR400
Asus Geforce4 Ti4800SE
Too long to list everything :D

well overclocking is an skill.you kinda gotta get the feel for it and its very important to Fully understand how changing your settings in your BIOS is gonna affect the rest of your system.with this in mind first off there are certain things that must be taken into consideration before you even start.
your gonna need a bigger better CPU cooler.i recommend anything thermal-right as most serious o/c will tell you they are very good with no frills.
second how good is your ram? if its just generic you may have a hard time getting very far.and just because it says PC 3200 or whatever doesn't mean much when you start pushing the limits and changing timings on things.
third thing is make sure you have a big power supply!very important.i recommend 400w for starters if your gonna overclock.
when you start you wanna go up a little bit at a time and for air cooling i would never recommend raising your v-core over .1 your biggest enemy is heat and what mostly causes heat is raising your CPU voltages.also ask lots of questions good luck!
also to unlock your cpu go to google and look up "amd wire trick"

KT4 Ultra Overclocking Questions.

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Anyway the default ghz speed for this CPu is 1.591 GHZ at 266 FSb mhz set in BIOS. But i use the 12.5/13.5/ multiplier which makes it 1730 GHZ CPU speed and reports cpu as XP 2000 + in post info. Now i can go up in increments of 1 in BIOS FSb all the way to 274 ..anything higher is unstable. But i thought this moboard could be overclocked to a 266 mhz FSb . Wcupid shows it as 142.34 right now and the multiplier in BIOS is 12.5/13.5x and the FSB in bios is set to 272 i beleive . Maybe im dumb but can someone explain how this can be.

Sure i do ....If what you say is true ...Because AMi BIOS has a setting for FSB in BIOS which mine is set to 270 MHZ. Im a veteran and i have built CPUs so overclocking is not the issue. The issue is the amount of MHZ i can set in bios that does not equal up to what it should in Wcupid. Please re read my post and you will see what im talking about or go into AMI bIOS ver 1.0 if you are able to and see what im talking about. I can reach 276 in that setting (max with this bios version is 280) but the multiplier has to be dropped to 11.5 to gain stabability. Id rather have a lower 270 setting and higher multiplier just because its stable and is not overheating . I want to know why i cant set that in BIOS to max setting (280) . CPU wont boot if i raise it past 276 at 11.5 multiplying.
With the BIOS setting at 270 and the multiplier at 12.5/13.5 the following info is taken from Wcupid screen
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Newb here witha few questions.

Not a newb to macs but to my powerbook. I had a Powermac G3 all in one beige with 384 MEGS of ram, 9.2 OS and a factory speed of 233 MGHZ clocked to 280 and 4 GIG HD and CD drive. It since died a few years ago when the power unit/supply...i am guessing, crapped out. I now just purchased a Lombard 400 MGHZ powerbook G3 DVD/CD, with 64 MEGS of ram and a 6 gig HD. There is some things i need to get for it...ram, batteries and a bigger hardrive but i am happy with it. I am running 10.2 on it right now and REALLY need more memory. I am about to install 9.2 on it as well. My question is the PC slot on the left side, what can go there? I know the 333MGHZ Lombards use a DVD decoder there but mine does not since its built in. What sorta things can go there? Also i have a 10.3 CD here...should i install it as wellor will it make it run slower since i only have the 64 MEGS right now.

Brandon:
Here is one topic in Discussions that might give you some clues.

**** newbies and their stupid questions!....

Sorry for the slightly aggressive topic title but I thought (hoped) it might get my questions noticed.
I'm the newbie....I've been using ARD for a while to simply connect my main computer in my home office to my older G4 elsewhere in my house over my hard wired LAN. It works great.
Now I would like to take it a step further. I would like to be able to control my home computer from work and my work computer from home over the internet. I have looked at the manual but cannot find any info pertaining specifically to this.
Can anyone out there suggest a source for info regarding this subject?
My computer at home is on a Comcast (cable) broadband network and my computer at work is on a AT&T (DSL) broadband network and is connected via a Airport Base Station. Neither accounts have dedicated IP addresses, do I need at least one of the accounts to have a dedicated IP address for this to work?
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The subject of connecting ARD via the Internet has been covered here many times already (search the forum for "Internet"), but take a look at this web page:
http://www.starkpr.com/ard.htm
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I have an OVERCLOCKING QUESTION

i have a 2.8 overclocked to a 3.2. i am using pc3200 ram (400mhz). i have it set to run at a 5:4 ratio, i have my ram frequency running a 333. when i up my bus from 200 to 230 and reboot, my bios tells me my ram is running at 383 mhz. all the windows programs (clockgen,sandra) are telling me different. they say my ram is at 184mhz(184x2=368). windows apps are reporting 184 or (184x2). my question is, am i running at 383 or 368. my sandra scores are normal for my ram. which is telling the truth my bios, or the windows programs? also is there a way i can up my ram and not my FSB, any overclock programs allow that?

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which is better getting the extra ram boost or getting the extra processor boost?
There is no right answer. It depends on what your software benefits by. Try it both ways, compare the benchmarks, and then try real applications that you use to see if the response is noticeable. If you can't tell the difference I would go with the 1:1 ratio.
bejon2000 asked if you locked your AGP/PCI clock. When running in performance mode you can go to this clock setting, even though it is greyed out, hit enter and change it. You have to do this after adjusting the FSB as it also adjusts the AGP/PCI setting.

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(I originally posted this under "using" instead of "expanding" your Power Mac G4...hopefully the right people see this now)
Recently I became interested in overclocking my computers. I have owned a Gigabit Ethernet Dual G4 450 Mhz "Mystic" for about a year, until about a week ago I decided to overclock it. Two weeks ago I bought an old 500 Mhz (66 Mhz bus) G3 iBook and successfully overclocked it to a 600 Mhz (with 100 Mhz Bus). I am certified in solder repair by PACE so this stuff is pretty easy...
My question is about the Mystic. I went online searching for info on how to overclock it. I found that everyone running Dual 450's successfully overclocked to Dual 500's. So I changed the jumper layout to a 5x multiplier setting, and that was it, I had a dual 500 Mhz Mystic. After reading more, I really didn't find any more information about anyone trying to clock higher than 500 Mhz, although their jumper tables showed it could be achieved. All anyone really said was that trying to go higher than a 50 Mhz speed boost would be unreliable.
And that's where my question comes in. About 3-4 days ago I decided to attempt to overclock to Dual 550 Mhz. Which I performed successfully. My computer is still running fine after vigorous testing, such as running some intensive testing with techtool (which also confirmed my 550 Mhz clockspeed), while running about 10 other programs. I ran Adobe Photoshop, iTunes, iPhoto, iChat, Safari...basically all the programs in my dock simultaneously for a few hours. I also ran Halo on highest graphics setting for a few hours, and The Sims and some other games just to see. And so far, so good. My computer seems much faster and I have not noticed anything unusual. It runs so nicely and my system is well kept, I clean out caches and temp files almost every week and defrag constantly with norton. So...
Do I have anything to worry about? Is there any reason why I shouldn't keep this setting if it is working correctly for me already? Also, is there any reason why I shouldn't test a higher setting, such as Dual 600 Mhz? Has anyone ever tried overclocking to a speed this high?
Another thing, if the reason people don't overclock to 550-600 is due to temperature, is it possible to achieve this setting by installing another fan to keep the processors cool? I am just surprised that I haven't found anyone who has ever tried overclocking higher than 500 Mhz.
If anyone has any information, please let me know.
Also here are some specs on my computer:
Origially Dual 450 Mhz G4
1.5 GB Ram (two 512 mb PC100, two 256 mb PC100)
30 GB Quantum HD
10 GB Quantum HD
180 GB IBM HD
150 External Firewire HD
Pioneer DVD/CD Burner
ATI RAGE 128 (Been meaning to upgrade this...)
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The person on eBay (sngaporemac) was selling 933MHz upclocked 733MHz G4 CPU modules. I actually purchased one from him almost two years ago, to sort of test out so to speak (I am no stranger to overclocking). Although his elaborate and custom heatsink design utilised a heatpipe configuration, when I threw a solid RC5-72 ( http://www.distributed.net ) load to it, the computer would lock up within fifteen minutes. My solution (although a LOUD one) involved upgrading the Digital Audio fan, but that did not wind up being a long-term solution, so I ended up selling it.
Quicksilver G4 CPU modules can be used in Digital Audio Powermacs and earlier, as long as the 5th “power provision post” on the CPU module has +12V wired to it, and the motherboard revision is Uni-7 or greater for multiple CPUs: http://homepage.mac.com/leopoldporkstacker/.Pictures/overclock/tsunamimac/index. html
and
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Meanwhile, I have two MDD “Quadnostril” Powermacs running dual 1.25GHz 7455A CPU modules in them overclocked to 1.42GHz at the stock voltage. Of course, there are a few tricks to getting them running just right, involving full-flow case modifications:
http://homepage.mac.com/leopoldporkstacker/.Pictures/overclock/hack1.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/leopoldporkstacker/.Pictures/overclock/hack3.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/leopoldporkstacker/.Pictures/overclock/justatad.jpg
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-he who stacks pork

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Ive had my turbo2 for a few months now with the amd xp2100+, and no problems. My question is how high have you guys with the turbo 2 and a xp2100+ overclocked? Rate now i have my muliplier is deflut and my fsb is at 140. The core voltage is defult.
So is this good or can i go way up there in speed?

Hi,
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Overclock Question

I'm getting some very poor overclocking results with my setup. The max I have been able to push the CPU is 1.9 GHz at 1:1. I find it hard to believe that the CPU can't go past that. I have Spread Spectrum turned off. I have tried adjusting HT Frequency down, but that doesn't change stability at all. I have pushed CPU voltage up to 1.7 and memory up to 2.85, and stability seems to be the same. I have tried running only one stick of RAM at 3-3-3-8.
I'm relatively new to overclocking, so any suggestions would be appreciated.
Setup:
MSI K8N Neo Platinum
Mobile Athlon 64 3000+ CG stepping
2 x 512 Komusa Adata 4200

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Originally posted by LuckyOne
I'm getting some very poor overclocking results with my setup. The max I have been able to push the CPU is 1.9 GHz at 1:1.
MSI K8N Neo Platinum
Mobile Athlon 64 3000+ CG stepping
2 x 512 Komusa Adata 4200
An Athlon 64 3000+ should run STOCK at 2.0GHz. There have been reported issues getting mobile chips to work correctly with this motherboard, and at full speed.

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well overclocking is an skill.you kinda gotta get the feel for it and its very important to Fully understand how changing your settings in your BIOS is gonna affect the rest of your system.with this in mind first off there are certain things that must be taken into consideration before you even start.
your gonna need a bigger better CPU cooler.i recommend anything thermal-right as most serious o/c will tell you they are very good with no frills.
second how good is your ram? if its just generic you may have a hard time getting very far.and just because it says PC 3200 or whatever doesn't mean much when you start pushing the limits and changing timings on things.
third thing is make sure you have a big power supply!very important.i recommend 400w for starters if your gonna overclock.
when you start you wanna go up a little bit at a time and for air cooling i would never recommend raising your v-core over .1 your biggest enemy is heat and what mostly causes heat is raising your CPU voltages.also ask lots of questions good luck!
also to unlock your cpu go to google and look up "amd wire trick"

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Im relatively new to overclocking, Ive overclocked athlons several years ago but Im pretty much a novice as yet (fast learner)
I have the pm8pm-v motherboard (whch I know aint the best for o/clock)
I intend to overclock using clockgen as there are no other methods of overclocking this board. (although I have been told msi have a bios for this with overclocking enabled)
The processor is pentium d 930
I would like to raise the fsb ideally to get clock speed running in the region of 4.0Ghz x 2
I have read about the 930d being clocked in the region of 5.5-6.0 ghz with the right equiptment, but clocked to 4.25Ghz x 2 using standard intel cooler.
I have the standard intel socket 775 cooler
the ram is hynix 1gb ddr2 pc5300 (667)
the ms-7222 can only support ram up to 533mhz so is there overclocking potential with the memory?
the motherboard states it can support fsb up to 1066mhz, am I right in thinking my processor runs at 800mhz fsb, so there is some room for overclock motherboard wise?
currently my processor temperature is 32.0c restng, and 38.0C so there seems a good buffer temperature wise to overclock
is 4.0GHz x 2 achievable with my setup? should I just raise fsb in increments of 5, i.e 200fsb, now 205fsb? what speed is relatively safe to clock the ram up to bearing in mind the motherboard only supports 533mhz as standard?
any general advice or comments will be gladly appreciated,

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