Newbie - memory advice with Neo 875P
Hi,
Sorry if this is a stupid question but I have just bought a new MSI Neo 875P motherboard and an intel pentium 4 2.6C processor. The question i have is i no longer have the funds to buy some DDR400 memory this month so i am forced to use my existing samsung DDR 266 memory for at least a further 4 weeks.
Does anyone know what sort of impact the use of DDR266 will have on my new system (basically will it seem any faster in photoshop / games) than my existing athlon 1.4 on a KT333 motherboard. Or wether this combination of board and memory will actually work and with wnat settings?
Thanks is advance
John
AnandTech has posted a memory article that includes a comparison between DDR 266 and DDR 400 performance here:-
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1849&p=4
Full article (Searching for the Memory Holy Grail - Part 2)starts here:-
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1849
and the previous article (Searching for the Memory Holy Grail: Part 1) here:-
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1839
Lots of interesting info ...though i would check other users have had good results with any brand and your board before you buy anything
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