NI FBUS - HSE/H1 Capabilities

I am in the process of looking for alternatives to Rockwell 1757-FFLD (foundation fieldbus linking device).  We have a couple of major issues with this device that are requiring us to look for a different solution.  
1.  Can we use the NI FBUS - HSE/H1 with ControlLogix?  How is this done?
2.  Can the Emerson 375 Fieldbus Communicator communicate on an H1 segment at the same time the NI FBUS - HSE/H1 and does it interrupt communications to the devices on the segment?  The 1757-FFLD does not support this.
3.  Can we add devices and configure to an existing segment with out interrupting the communications to the existing devices.  Explain how the schedule and configuration gets downloaded.  Currently with the 1757-FFLD, when we download the H1 segment we lose communications to all the devices.  As the configuration gets loaded to each device, the device returns online.  We are seeing communication interruptions of 10 minutes because it takes 10 minutes to download that segment.   We could live with a scenario where it momentarily interrupted the communications to 1 specific transmitter while it was downloading to that device.  When we try adding a device online and just download the configuration for the new device, we get a Schedule Download error.  The only way to get a clean download is to download the entire H1 segment. 
4.  What is the recommended number of devices on a segment? 
If you would like to discuss this via phone, I can be reached at 815-774-5278.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,
David Chasse

1. NI FUBUS - HSE/H1 LD will not work with ControlLogix
2. If you have the latest firmware in your 1757-FFLD(C), it fully supports the 375 HHT.
3. You can use NI FBUS Config with 1757-FFLD, however, NI FBUS  Config software does not  allow partial downloads (software imposed limitation)... full downloads stop everything on the segment.  If you are using RSFieldbus software, you can do partial downloads, add IO (FF Scheduled Communicaitons) on the fly w/o disrupting the network. 
4. In theory you can put 31 devices per segment (w/o repeaters), however, this is not practical for various reason (voltage drop, slower updates, VCR connections, and etc.).  The biggest thing to watch is the number of VCRs (producer/consumer connections on H1 are called VCRs).  A valve could produce Postion, Torque, Alarms, DI and then consume CmdPosition... This valve would produce 6 VCRs and consume 1 VCR.  A Temperature probe might only produce one VCR.  The general rule is one or two valves and 6 to 8 other devices per segment.  If you have two valves (2 x 7 VCRs) and four mass flow meters (4 x 5 VCRs) that means you need to move at least 34 packets (one-way) across the network.  FF can only perform 50 messages per second.   The bandwith is split between scheduled and unschedule at about 50/50 ratio so you really only get 25 MGS per second scheduled so you are looking at 1.3 seconds of wire time.   Realize the device require some time to create this data (D/A) before they can publish the data to the network (not less than 50ms, some times as much as 1000ms).  So the real update time could easily be 2 seconds or more (one way across the wire).  Given this performance concern, the original FFLD firmware only supported 16 Producer and 16 Consumer connections (VCRs) per segment...  Many applications consumed many more data points than they produced (especially application that just monitor data and don't do any loops).  So new firmware opens this up to 64 Producer and 64 Consumers per segment..... with a warning that moving this much data across the H1 could be slow.

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    MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2010) OS X 10.8.2
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    Apple TV (3rd generation) - Quantity two (2)

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    How about the other tabs in Airport Utility, can they all stay as is assuming I use the same network name and password for the new Asus wireless router? Or do I need to make any other changes to the TC via Airport Utility?
    Finally, in regards to your Plan B suggestion. I agree. But do you have a Plan B for me? I would greatly appreciate any alternative you could provide. Specifically, if you needed a TC's Internet connection to reach a far off corner of your home how would you do it? In the master bedroom I need both a wired Ethernet connection for the Denon a/v receiver and wireless Internet connection for the iPhone and iPod Touch.
    Power-Line Adapters - High Cost, Blocks at Least One Wall Outlet and Does Not Solve the Wireless Need
    I actually like exactly one power-line adapter, which is the D-Link DHP-540 PowerLine AV 500 4-Port Gigabit Switch. This D-Link power-line adapter plugs into your wall outlet with a normal sized plug (regular standard power cord much like any other electronic device) instead of all of the other recommended power-line adapters that not only use at least one wall outlet but also often block the second outlet. You cannot use a power strip with a power-line adapter which is very impractical for me. And everything about my home is strange and upside down. The wiring here is a disaster and I don't have faith in its ability to carry Internet access from the living room to the master bedroom. And this D-Link power-line adapter costs $90 each and I need at least two to make the connection to the Denon A/V receiver. So, $180 on this solution and I still don't have a dependable drop free wireless connection in the master bedroom. The Denon might get its Ethernet Internet connection from the power-line adapter, but if I want to use an iPhone 4 or iPod Touch to stream AirPlay music to the Denon wirelessly (Pandora/iTunes, etc.) from the master bedroom the wireless connection will not be stable in there and I've already spent $190 on just the two power-line adapters needed.
    Extenders / Repeaters / Wirelessly Extending the Wireless Network
    I have also read great things about the Amped Wireless High Power Wireless-N 600mW Gigabit Dual Band Range Extender (Repeater) SR20000G and the My Net Wi-Fi Range Extender. The former is very powerful and the latter is easier to install. Both cost about $150 ish so similar to a new Asus router. However, everything I read about Range Extenders points to them not being very effective for a far off corner of your house wherein it's apparently hard to place the range extender in the sweet spot where it both gets a strong enough signal to actually effectively extend the wireless signal and otherwise does not reduce network throughput speeds to unacceptable speeds.
    Creating a Roaming Network By Hard Wiring with Ethernet Cable - Wife Would Say, "**** No!"
    Even Apple seems to warn against wirelessly extending your network (see: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4145#) and otherwise strongly recommends a roaming network where Ethernet cable is used to connect two wireless base stations. However, I am in an apartment where stringing together two wireless base stations with Ethernet cable would have an extremely low wife acceptance factor (WAF). I cannot (both contractually and from a skill prospective) hide Ethernet wire in the walls or ceiling. And having visible Ethernet cable running from room-to-room would be unacceptable, especially to the wife.
    So what is left? Do you have a Plan B for me? Thanks in advance for your help!

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