Nikon D4 color shift in RAW

For awhile now, I have noticed that setting the color temp to k=5560 gives me a RAW color on Aperture of about 6100 which I have to re-set. This only happens with the Nikon D4, as with D3s it actually reduces it slightly from a color k=5560 to about 5400! It also always says that the color space is Adobe even though it is not set this way, and for color temp it says auto even though it is set to a specific k value color. I wish that Apple would fix this bug. This makes skin tones always look yellow when using studio flashes that are at a known color temperature. There is no problem with JPEG's but since I shoot in RAW it is a major nuisance. I have noted this mentioned on discussion groups by others, and supposedly Apple was looking into this back in April, but so far I do not see that it has been resolved.

Despite the listing in EXIF, the color space has not been chosen until you export a Version or send to an External Editor -- what is listed can be ignored, from everything I can find and read.
There is no expectation that color temperature camera settings with RAW will be picked up by Aperture. If you search you see the same thing said of Photoshop and Lightroom. Also being talked about with newer Canon cameras.
I have a D800, and have no issue with this on photos taken without flash. With flash, and using Auto ISO, and talking to techs familiar with Nikon, it is being said that all flash is now being treated as fill flash, and ISO is being determined as though flash will not be used. This is very different from my D300, btw. With the D800 I have taken to turning off Auto ISO.
Generally the default RAW rendering with my D800 images is superior to the intial camera provided Preview, but I do use Auto WB almost exclusively. I am having to reconsider that when I am shooting video with the D800 as the .mov can benefit from the temp setting made in the camera.
Ernie

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Bad color shift for RAW photos in Adobe programs??

I shoot photos with my Canon PowerShot S60 digital camera with the Canon RAW format [.CRW]. But whenever I open the .CRW photos in Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom 1.1, the photos look yellower [no adjustments]! Why does Adobe's programs do this? Is this normal for all RAW images opened in Adobe's programs--or is it just my camera? Is there a way to make Adobe not shift my photos colors by default??
Original .CRW photo. Normal colors in Windows and other programs...
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5214/normalrm9.jpg
.CRW photo opened in Adobe. Yellower colors in Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom 1.1 [no adjustments!]...
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6291/adobekf1.jpg
My Canon PowerShot S60 camera:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0405/04051001canons60.asp

Auto white balance is actually the culprit of these problems as your camera will attempt to measure it itself, and is often wrong. That's just the nature of these cameras. The only way to be sure is to shoot a grey card.
> Microsoft RAW Image Viewer
Is that the Vista version? Otherwise it does not do any correction for the display. Canon's zoombrowser has a checkbox that has to be turned on in order for it do correction and I do not know whether xnView can use a display's calibration. Of the apps you list, the only ones that certainly do color manage are the adobe programs, and, if your display's calibration is correct, are the only ones that you can absolutely trust.
The reason the color looks different for a second when loading in LR is that it shows the embedded jpeg (the camera embeds a jpeg preview in the RAW file) until it calculates the actual RAW conversion. LR applies a default contrast curve BTW, you can try to see what happens when you use the zerod preset.

Color Shift with ProPhot RGB in CS4

When I had CS3 I would be able to open a RAW image in Photoshop with the ProPhoto RGB color space. I would then change the color space as needed.
In CS4, I am using the 64-bit version, and there is a color shift when I open a RAW image in Photoshop with ProPhoto color space. The color is desaturated.
There is no color sift when I open the same image using Adobe RGB.
Why is this happening?
Lynnea

There is a color shift when the Photoshop color space is set as ProPhoto (Edit>Color Settings) and the RAW color space to open in Photoshop is set as ProPhoto.
There is no color shift if RAW color space is Adobe RGB and the Photoshop is set with ProPhoto (Edit>Color Settings).
But, when I save the image, the color space in file information as seen in Bridge is Adobe RGB.
Could this be connected to GPU and "Move Color Matching to the GPU?"
I have seen comments concerning GPU and color sifts, but I don't really understand them.
It is frustrating since I do calibrate my monitor and have seen some of the images in both CS3 and now CS4 and thus can see the difference.
LYnnea

My nikon d3s raw files in lightroom have color shifts

my nikon d3s raw files in lightroom have color shifts in lightroom can anyone help me please?????

An answer to "when do you see it?" would also be helpful, just in case it relates to: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/358016

Color Difference - Camera Raw & Nikon Raw NEF

Hello everybody
When i open a Nikon Raw file in Camera Raw (Photosop CC) I notice a distinct color-difference between the integrated preview image in the Raw file and the camera Raw standard.
I want to start with the exact same color how it came from the camera.
Refers to Nikon D300 or D800 in Raw / Nef format.
left, from Camera Raw 8.4.1 "Camera Raw Standard"
right, integrated preview from the original raw-file
Mostly i have the difference in Blue, it's too much cyan in there an looks not "natural"!
thanks for help

The third icon in from the right (looks like a camera) called camera calibrations is where the presets live that supposedly match that of your camera.
Even though you use those presets, you are not done. To match what you see in your camera, you must manually adjust the sliders under the basic tab until it does match.
What you see in your camera is a processed image, which is applied to a jpg only. The raw file is just that raw, no processing is done to it. Think of it as a negative. It is your permanent record of the image. Camera raw is then used to manually set up the image to your personal liking. Which does a better job the camera or yourself, is dependent on your skills. You can get details out of that raw file that the camera can not.
When you find you are placing the sliders in certain location more than once, then it is time to create a preset in camera raw that stores those settings. The more you use camera raw, more you can see when your own preset can be used (even as a starting point) and when it is time to do everything manually.
So in other words it is going to take time to 1)get a keen eye 2)understand the subtle differences in what each setting does and 3) collect a library of presets that you can use time and again.

Pentax K-x RAW color shift problem with Aperture 3

I have seen a few posts similar to what my problem is but not exactly.I have two Pentax K-200D's and a new Pentax K-x. I shoot RAW with all of them and the K-200D's work great. The RAW files however from the K-x are doing something strange. Sometimes (more and more though) the files are being imported into Aperture and there is a radical color shift after they finish loading. ALL of the preview thumbnails look fine in the camera and the Aperture import window. However, after importing them and processing is complete, some of the shots have a magenta color shift, but most that have this problem shift radically to a green tint. Everybody looks like they are in "The Matrix."
I do not have any brightness correction on the camera turned on as other posts imply might be the problem. I have also remove the Aperture RAW 3.2 and tried 3.0 and 3.1 with no solution. 3.0 doesn't recognize the files at all and 3.1 does the same thing as 3.2. Here are two examples of UNEDITED RAW files:
Frame that looks fine in RAW
http://gallery.me.com/mattcline#100470/IMGP5982&bgcolor=black
The next frame taken with the same settings on the camera:
http://gallery.me.com/mattcline#100470/IMGP5983&bgcolor=black
I do have one possible pattern. I had the camera set on rapid fire capture. It appears to me that the first frame I take when the shutter button is depressed looks and translates fine. All the subsequent frames take in rapid fire under the same shutter release have the green shift when taking shots in relative shade. Things taken in bright sunlight have the magenta shift.
Any ideas on what is going on or how to fix this?
Thanks.

kb8wfh wrote:
I just downloaded Apple's RAW 3.3 and it still made no difference.
Going back over the files, I found that going back and forth between the two, see no difference in the RAW processing headings. I did see however that in the meta data that the two pictures I have in the example of those listed above have one difference. There is a setting on the Exposure Bias for the one that was fine was -0.3 ev and the one that has the green contrast blast has an Exposure Bias of 0.3 ev. So the one that looks right is slightly negative. Doesn't seem like that should be a big difference, but apparently it is.
I did take some pictures with the RAW+JPG setting and I had the same problem with the RAW files. Some were ok, some were green, others were magenta shifted. However, all the JPG files looked just fine.
Switching from Aperture isn;t really an option for me. I have been using it for a long time and it generally works very well...perfectly with my K-200D's. It's just some bug with the RAW decoder for the K-x.
It's a known bug and I have been in touch with Apple staff over it, including engineers. It's not just the K-x. Other brands (Canon) and models suffer from the RAW processor gone wrong.
Right now there is no fix. At the pace Apple works at, there may not be one for quite some time. Use JPEG, use iPhoto, or move to Lightroom.
Another suggestion is to phone customer service and complain that their "Pro" program is not working as expected. I spent hours with an engineer going over the issue including a screen share session, only to be told to use JPEG.
This was 4 months ago.

Color "shifted" in CS4 RAW files

Hello everyone.
Ill try to explain my problem. Until last year I used ACR (combined with Bridge CS3) to color manage my images. Then I would convert them to DNG using the Adobe DNG Converter, and bring them into iMatch (www.photools.com), which is the program I use to manage my image database. I would work with a calibrated monitor, and a sRGB color profile.
The DNG images would look the same in Bridge and iMatch, and if I extracted the JPG preview from any DNG image it would also look the same.
This year I bought a new laptop and a CS4 license (previously I was doing the CS3 work using a license from the place I work at). Ive calibrated my laptop screen with a Pantone Huey Pro screen calibrator.
When I open my images in CS4 the color in all of them looks "shifted", as if the white balance was off. They look consistently greenish and somewhat washed out. This happens in Bridge, ACR and Photoshop.
However, if I open any of the JPG images (the ones that I created extracting the preview from the DNG files) they look the way they should. So from this I can infer that it can't be a screen calibration problem (otherwise both the JPG and its DNG counterpart would look wrong, instead of just the DNG).
So it seems like CS4 is rendering the DNG images differently than it should. But I havent been able to find out how to correct the problem.
Some other info: In the ACR flyout menu I have Image Settings selected, and under the Camera Calibration I have Embedded selected. Ive already tried (at the suggestion of Adobe support) to reset the Bridge preferences by holding CTRL+Shift when Bridge loads, but this hasnt corrected the problem.
Also, here are my system specs,:
- Precision M6400: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600(2.4GHz,1066MHz,3MB)
- Display : 17in Widescreen WUXGA (1920X1200)
- Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1067MHz DDR3 Dual Channel
- Graphics card: 1GB NVIDIA Quadro FX3700M (with 1GB dedicated memory)
- Hard Drive : 200GB Serial ATA (7200RPM)
- Operating System : WXP Pro SP3
I have already contacted Adobe support about this a few days ago, but so far no luck. So I thought Id try the forums as well and see if anyone here has any theories as to what the problem could be. Im stuck until Im able to solve this, so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Hello,
I'm still having trouble with this same issue, wondering if anyone has further thoughts.
I've read some of the similar threads, like: http://forums.adobe.com/message/1203718 and http://forums.adobe.com/message/1203965
But I'm still confused.
I hadn't noticed the color shifts in Bridge being so pronounced until recently. So maybe something got inadvertently reset?
It would be a bad idea to change my computer's color profile to generic sRGB (as someone suggested), since I have a good calibrated color profile via the Gretag MacBeth (yeah, it's older) EyeOne Display. I've used that calibration device for years, updating every 6-12 months. Never been a problem.
It doesn't make any sense to me that Bridge should alter the colors of thumbnails/previews for RAW images (from the very good looking camera setting) before I even open Camera Raw to work on the RAW images. I don't work on every single RAW image, and doubt anyone does. But if I have 50 landscape shots, and the mere act of looking at their previews in Bridge turns all their skies unnaturally purple (which is currently happening), I lose any visual record of what the skies really looked like -- or at least a much closer approximation.
My Canon 40D's jpg previews for RAW images are quite good when they initially show up in Bridge. I'd really like to keep them until I work in Camera Raw, to give me a good visual memory starting point until I can get to work in ACR. Sometimes I don't start serious work on an image for many months after shooting.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it also doesn't make sense to me that a solution is to make a new Camera Raw default based on a photo I've worked on in ACR, because the color settings always depend on the lighting situation a photo was taken in, don't they? How could a daylight photo's settings be right for an indoor or sunset shot with totally different lighting and color temps?
Bottom line question: Is there any way to prevent Bridge from altering the color in thumbnails/previews of RAW images before you've worked on the images in Camera Raw? (Even if you click on a thumbnail to see the preview in Bridge, I mean.)
Thank you very much!!!
~Glenn
Message was edited by: glennooo - for clarity and to fix a link

CS3 raw conversion color shift

When using the RAW converter in CS3 there is a noticeable change in color from the RAW image to the converted image. I am using two Dell E228WFP monitors that have been calibrated and this allows me to see both images at the same time. I moved the images so they sat side by side on the same monitor and a difference in color was still evident.
I suspect something is happening in the conversion process and would appreciate any suggestion to correct this.
I am using a Dell Dimension 9200 with a VISTA operating system.
Thanks

What application is displaying the raw file, and which application is displaying the converted file?
If you are looking at the preview of the raw file in Camera Raw's dialog--which application is hosting the Camera Raw plugin at the time?

Color shift when exporting to sRGB (mac)

I just noticed the following: when I export an image (shot with my Nikon D80, RAW, developed from within Lightroom 2) as JPEG, 100%, sRGB color space, I get a strange color shift towards red, more saturated colors. Everything looks great when I view my image after export from within Finder or Apple Preview. However, when I drag that same file into the browser (Firefox) or then order prints from a photo service, the heavy red color shift is noticable. I've attached an image for you guys to see what I mean.
What am I doing wrong? Can someone please help?
I'm thinking that it might have to do with my color calibration? (I calibrated my monitor using the Spyder3 Elite device)
Edit: By the way, I just turned off my color calibration (changed display profiles), but that didn't fix the problem. Also, the color shift is not visible in Safari (I guess it is able to handle color profiles and Firefox isn't). But still, the color shift is there if I upload photos to a photo printing service and order prints. So, maybe there's something wrong with the color profile that Lightroom embeds in the JPEG file??

Problem continues (2)...
...from both Nikon and Canon RAW sources (I use a 5D MkII), but is it an LR3 issue or a Mac issue? Having read all the posts, I'm still struggling, but here's my contribution.
A while ago I noticed that colour files, once uploaded to the net, were way too red and saturated as per image below. Resolutions attempted so far below (all to no avail):
Tested different web browsers; found Firefox and Safari to be similar (to each other), Chrome very much brighter, but none of them are even close to original, so I'm not sure the Firefox loss of colour management mentioned by another contributor explains the issue.
Change web display vehicle; I find the same on my new web site as I did on Jalbum and various others.
Calibrate monitor (of course). Screen to output is 99% perfect on this monitor, when soft proofed with correct ICC profiles, so I very much doubt the wide gamut monitor is at fault. (I do find it hard to agree with the notion of it being the wide gamut screen. The whole point of a wide gamut screen is that it cn show a wider range of colours (e.g. in Adobe 98), and when an image's colour space is reduced (e.g. to sRGB) a wide gamut screen can still show that - especially if it is the same screen that didn't have this problem a year ago...).
Looked at images on a narrow-gamut screen. Same problem.
Changed colour space from Adobe 98 to ProPhoto in LR3 & CS3. Suspected mismatch between LR3 and CS3 because RAW files converted to DNG and edited in LR3, then pixel edited in CS3 and returned to LR3, come back in a different colour. Using ProPhoto has resolved that particular problem, but made no difference to faulty JPG display once on net.
Tested JPG conversion compared to other file formats; match between JPG and original RAW and PSD files perfect, whether displayed in LR3, CS3 or Preview, and whether exported to JPG from LR3, CS3 or Bridge. Problem definitely only occurs once images are on web.
Does anybody know anyone who doesn't have this issue and is using LR3 on a Mac with CS3 and OS 10.5.8?
Any updates or new ideas most welcome.

Extreme Color shift

I am using Aperture 1.1.1 and am geting an extreme color shift.
When it happens I can quit aperture restart it and in most cases the color reverts to normal.
An example of what happens can be found here.
http://www.pbase.com/imaloff/test
Please take a look and give me your opinion.
G5 2gig dual processor
OS 10.4.6
Radeon 9600pro
Nikon D70

Hi,
I checked these out already for reference. They are low res JPEG images. I was referring to the original RAW or large JPEG file that I can load into my system to see if it appears correctly.
Again, my thinking is that you are seeing this due to some profile issue. I have loaded some 70D images and did not see the saturation issue. Maybe some camera setting are different?

The availability of color space in RAW, TIFF and JPEG files

This is useful if your new to DSLR photography.
This is Nikon response on my question in the discussion: View photo metadata
I'm assuming that you know that Adobe RGB shows about 50% and sRGB 35% of CIELAB color space.
In a DSLR camera like the Nikon D800 you can select a color space (Adobe RGB or sRGB) in the shooting menu.
In Adobe Lightroom 4.3 the RAW metadata shows no color space info. Therefore I asked why not?
In the (Dutch) Nikon D800 manual on page 84 (about RAW) and 274 (about color space) and Nikon FAQ website there is no descripton about the color space availability/behavior in RAW, JPEG and TIFF files.
In the book "Mastering the Nikon D800 by Darrel Young" on page 125 - 126 is written: "If you shoot in RAW format a lot, you may want to consider using Adobe RGB....."
All experts on this forum answered: color space does not apply/affect the RAW data file or RAW files have no color space.
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are always physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available. So the forum experts gave the correct answer!
Of course you can convert afterwards a JPEG or TIFF file with sRGB color space to Adobe RGB but you don't get more colors.
When you install the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack or FastPictureViewer Codec Pack they only show color space metadata for JPEG and TIFF files and nothing for RAW because color space "doesn't exist". I thought the codec packs removed the color space metadata for my RAW files.
Adobe Lightroom also can not show color space for RAW files because that "doesn't exist".

Van-Paul wrote:
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available.
I still think this is an evasive answer that doesn't really pinpoint the exact chain of events that take place. They are:
1. The raw file contains the naked data captured by the sensor. This is just a very dark grayscale image.
2. In the raw converter it is encoded into a working color space to process the information. In Lightroom this is known as "Melissa RGB", or linear gamma Prophoto. It is also demosaiced to bring back the color information.
3. From Lightroom it can be exported to one of the familiar color spaces like sRGB or Adobe RGB. This is, in principle at least, a normal profile conversion.
These three steps are what the camera does to produce a jpeg. So the basic steps are the same, the camera is just doing it automatically (and usually butchering the image in the process...).
This Darrell Young is, I'm sure, an excellent photographer, but in this he is seriously confused and just propagating a common myth. Anyway, thanks for bringing up this discussion, hope you didn't object too much to the tone of the answers... Our only concern here was to get this right and with no room for misunderstanding.

Color shift printing from Lightroom 1.3

Windows Vista, HP officejet Pro L7580 printer, Lightroom 1.3, Photoshop CS3. All that being said and having used Photoshop since ver 5 with a variety of printers I find myself stumped with my latest soup of hardware and software. Screen colors do not print out anywhere close on paper when I try to print from Lightroom. Move the file over via "edit in Photoshop" and print from there and everything is fine. In Photoshop, whether Photoshop or the printer controls the color there is no problem. In Lightroom, however I have no control that I can find. I have no additional profiles so the printer controls the color. Photoshop and the printer are both set to AdobeRGB1998.icc. Other then just printing from Photoshop what am I missing in Lightroom?
By the way Adobe, in the future think about either Lightroom or Bridge but not both.

Hi,
Just a reminder for those who missed that thread (I guess this fix also
applies to LR 1 although I didn't check):
[FIX] Darker prints and color shifts when printing from Lightroom 2
(this is for Windows - Mac users please look here for a similar fix:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_13_print/lightroom_print.htm )
The problem :
When printing RAW or TIFF files from LR2, you get a printer output that
is much darker than it should be and that presents various color shifts.
I'm using an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 with the latest Windows driver
(6.50 - which is rather old by the way). The workaround described below
works for me under Windows XP SP3. It should also probably work with
other systems/printers/drivers. Use at your own (minor) risk.
The "official" procedure for printing from LR is as follows:
1. Do not let the printer manage colors and select "Other..." from the
profile dropdown list and select the ICC/ICM paper/printer profile that
you want to use.
2. Click on Print... in LR which opens the Print Settings dialog.
3. Select the options you need and the paper you're using.
4. *Disable the color management from the driver's side* (in Epson's
drivers, "Mode | Custom | No Color Adjustments").
5. Print
Unfortunately, *this doesn't work* for many of us and this produces a
print that is dark and has color shifts as mentioned above. Note that
the same image prints correctly from QImage or Photoshop CS3 (that is,
the printer output corresponds to what you see on your calibrated
display).
Apparently, although color management has been (allegedly) disabled in
the driver, there's something wrong between LR and the driver which
makes that both LR and the driver are still trying to manage colors. In
other words, the "No Color Adjustements" option of the driver doesn't
seem to work with LR.
The workaround (found after hours of hair pulling and paper and
expensive ink wasting):
In step #4,
1. Instead of selecting "No Color Adjustments", set Mode to "Custom |
ICM
2. Click Advanced...
3. Check "Show all profiles".
4. Select Driver ICM (Advanced)"
5. Set *both* the "Input profile" and the "Printer profile" fields to
the very same profile that you specified in LR.
That is, if you specified Pro38 PGPP (Premium Glossy Photo Paper) in LR,
then also select Pro38 PGPP in both "Input Profile" and "Printer
Profile". This has actually the same effect has disabling color
management in the driver (what "No Color Adjustements" should normally
take care of).
That's it. When printing, you'll get exactly the same color results as
when printing from QImage or Photoshop. No more dark prints. No more
color shifts.
One might think that the bug is in the Epson driver but in that case,
QImage would have the very same problem. So I tend to think that the bug
is on the Lightroom side.
Hope this helps.
Patrick

[FIX] Darker prints and color shifts when printing from Lightroom 2

Hi,
The problem :
When printing RAW or TIFF files from LR2, you get a printer output that
is much darker than it should be and that presents various color shifts.
I'm using an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 with the latest Windows driver
(6.50 - which is rather old by the way). The workaround described below
works for me under Windows XP SP3. It should also probably work with
other systems/printers/drivers. Use at your own (minor) risk.
The "official" procedure for printing from LR is as follows:
1. Do not let the printer manage colors and select "Other..." from the
profile dropdown list and select the ICC/ICM paper/printer profile that
you want to use.
2. Click on Print... in LR which opens the Print Settings dialog.
3. Select the options you need and the paper you're using.
4. **Disable the color management from the driver's side** (in Epson's
drivers, "Mode | Custom | No Color Adjustments").
5. Print
Unfortunately, **this doesn't work** for many of us and this produces a
print that is dark and has color shifts as mentioned above. Note that
the same image prints correctly from QImage or Photoshop CS3 (that is,
the printer output corresponds to what you see on your calibrated
display).
Apparently, although color management has been (allegedly) disabled in
the driver, there's something wrong between LR and the driver which
makes that *both* LR and the driver are still trying to manage colors.
In other words, the "No Color Adjustements" option of the driver doesn't
seem to work with LR.
The workaround (found after hours of hair pulling and paper and
expensive ink wasting):
In step #4,
1. Instead of selecting "No Color Adjustments", set Mode to "Custom |
ICM
2. Click Advanced...
3. Check "Show all profiles".
4. Select Driver ICM (Advanced)"
5. Set **both** the "Input profile" and the "Printer profile" fields to
the very same profile that you specified in LR.
That is, if you specified Pro38 PGPP (Premium Glossy Photo Paper) in LR,
then also select Pro38 PGPP in both "Input Profile" and "Printer
Profile". This has actually the same effect has disabling color
management in the driver (what "No Color Adjustements" should normally
take care of).
That's it. When printing, you'll get exactly the same color results as
when printing from QImage or Photoshop. No more dark prints. No more
color shifts.
One might think that the bug is in the Epson driver but in that case,
QImage would have the very same problem. So I tend to think that the bug
is on the Lightroom side.
Note: Although Photoshop CS3 produces a correct printer output, it
demonstrates the same problem as LR when using the "Match Print Color"
option for soft proofing. But in that case, only the preview colors are
wrong. The printer output is ok. Which also tends to demonstrate that
Adobe has the problem, not Epson. Or maybe both... :-) .
Don't ask me why some users have the problem and other don't.
Hope this helps.
Patrick Philippot
MainSoft Consulting Services
www.mainsoft.fr

A sincere thank you for your reply, Michael. Sorry about the "it just doesn't make sense" shortcut. I have been trying to solve this issue since LR 1.1, spending dozens of hours on different trials and digesting everything written on this forum and the B9180 forum about color management and double profiling. My shortcut was a summation of my experience (and my frustration) but doesn't really advance the conversation. Here are some data that should be more useful in diagnosing the problem.
I am running Windows XP SP2. I calibrate my monitor monthly with the Spyder. The reason I suspect this may be an issue of double profiling is because the results (moderately strong magenta overlay plus an increase in contrast) match what more knowledgeable people than I on this forum describe when double profiling occurs. Perhaps I shouldn't presume it is double profiling, and follow Patrick Philippot's lead in naming the problem "color shifts." Patrick does refer in post #2 of this thread, however, to obvious double profiling.
I certainly do have a successful and consistent print method. With PS CS3, and either my Epson 1280 or my HP B9180, the output is almost always dead on. Here is how I do it. In PS from the print dialog box, under color handling I always choose "Photoshop manages colors." Then under printer profile I select the profile designated by the manufacturer for a particular paper/printer combination. Then in the printer driver I disable printer control of color. With the Epson I check the box "Off (No Color Adjustment)." With the B9180 I choose the option "Application Managed Colors." While I sometimes may tweak the final output, these procedures have served me well with PS for several years.
Contrasted with my positive PS experience, my experience with LR printing has been inconsistent. I regret having to be so imprecise but truly sometimes LR produces accurate results that match the calibrated monitor, but most of the time it does not. I use standard procedures with LR that parallel the PS ones described above. In LR's printing panel, under color management, I specify the correct profile, just as I did for PS. Then in the printer driver I use the same procedures I use with PS. Most of the time the prints have the magenta overlay and too much contrast.
BTW, the inconsistent LR printing only takes place with my HP B9180. I have never had any problem with off-color LR prints with my Epson 1280. Again, I emphasize that I have standard procedures that always work with PS (no matter which printer) and LR (but only with the Epson).
Unfortunately the LR printing problems are intermittent. Some of the time (perhaps 20%) LR produces fine prints in the B9180, indistinguishable from PS prints. When LR is printing well, it will continue to print fine until "something happens" and the output shows the color shift. This means I do not get a random sequence of good-bad-good-bad prints, but rather good-good-x factor-bad-bad-bad. Ths problem is that I do not know what this "x factor" is. Once, when LR was giving me accurate output, I simply changed the default printer (Control Panel-Printers and Faxes) from the B9180 to my Samsung 1430 laser; immediately afterwards the LR output colors shifted. Did LR react to this change in default printers? Another time I had good LR printing success with version 1.2 but ran into the problems described above when I upgraded to version 1.3.
Sorry for the long post. I am hoping that someone will see something that I am missing and provide a hint. I think, though, that Patrick is correct when he states, "I tend to think that the problem is with LR. After all, similar issues (obvious double profiling) are observed only in LR but with various printers."

Aperture seems to apply a color profile to raw by itself

When I open up a image in aperture, it shows the image as shot for a second and then disorts the colors for some reason, applying some kind of preset profile to every raw I open. Below, it shows "processing" for the second before changing the colors. In lightroom the camera calibration profile can be changed to neutral since adobe's own calibration translation profile burns colors easily- which seems to be the case here as well? Apples support site says that no profile is used or applied when processing raw, but its definitely doing something, pretty much burning the colors flat. Translator problem? Where to change it to neutral?
I may be a retard, but gimme a hand here.
edit: iMac '11, MBA '13 (same problem with both) + aperture (latest). Camera is 1Dx, if that makes any difference.
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Cheers J Lietz- that was the key. Any kind of "in camera" dynamic range extender + boost changes the color balance and mushes the image. I tried retouching photos with pictures that had no D+ or any other in camera- dynamics assist on and it there seems to be very little color shift.
The thing is, that especially in images that have a lot of dynamic range to cover (strong backlight i.e.) , aperture chooses by default to apply full boost + hue boost even if I thought I had set a default preset to do otherwise (and therefore didn't doublecheck them) and that combined to somewhat compressed data from higher and lower end of the histogram seems to shift the color balance toward purple / red and mush the image to the point of being unusable. It makes it even worse if the picture has been initially even a little underexposed. The effect was not easily visible in pictures taken in daylight or even in night-time pictures (although could be seen with some pixel peeping) with landscape or mildly coloured objects being the subject, but in nightclub scenery the boost has a pretty much a horrific effect.
Solved.

Importing Photos - Unwanted Color Shift

I'm a fairly competent self taught user of CS6. when I run into a problem I canusually source it in a text, or on Lynda.com.
Something has started happening recently which I can't explain or remedy.
When I import a photo, it color shifts. The red component becomes highly saturated, and the saturation of all colors increases greatly.
I can usually make adjustments using the "hue and saturation" adjustment tool to closely approximate the original photo, but they're only close approximations. the two adjsutemtns most commonly made are decreasing the saturation and shifting the red component towards blue.
This happens regardless of source. It can be a photo imported into CS6 from the web, or from a camera; or even a photo stored on my hard drive.
I'm open to suggestions, even if it is a matter of restoring factory default setting.. This is really getting annoying

Take a look at the color profile. If the image was say from a raw image that the profile was set to prorgb and you saved it as a jpg and viewed it in a browser that does not support profiles, the color will shift. Anything thats on the web should assumed to be SRGB. Getting an image from someone else, could be using a different profile. Normally when the file loads, it will ask you what to do when they don't match your current settings. But in the preferences, I believe it is possible to disable that warning.

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