No audio on apple tv via projector

So I plug in my apple tv to my home tv, Via hdmi cable, I get audio & video fine from ipad. I plug the same apple tv, using the same hdmi cable, same router and same ipad into projector at church, and I can only get video. Projector is supposed to have internal speakers (thought I've never managed to get them to work) but as soon as I try and plug in the audio cable to connect to external speakers, airplay disconnects!
What is going on, can I have video to apple tv and sound (I had to go with just sound for that particular service) and if so how? If not, do I have to buy airport express or whatever to have sound and apple tv?
Ta all :)

It is not possible to output audio from the headphone jack on an iDevice and video via AirPlay at the same time.
Connect the ATV via Optical Cable to the external speakers.

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