No dev with DSE bluetooth dongle

Hi All,
I have found an old DSE bluetooth dongle I am trying to use and when I do a "hcitool dev" no devices show up.
lsusb shows:
Bus 006 Device 003: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
both dbus and bluetooth are running, lsmod shows:
Module Size Used by
bnep 7234 2
rfcomm 29213 0
cpufreq_ondemand 5064 2
ipv6 249260 20
nilfs2 137542 1
ext2 55475 1
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 20368 4
snd_hda_codec_realtek 225687 1
joydev 7535 0
rt2870sta 394863 1
usbhid 31211 0
usb_storage 34863 0
crc_ccitt 1103 1 rt2870sta
hid 63007 1 usbhid
uas 6480 0
btusb 9897 1
bluetooth 115465 13 bnep,rfcomm,btusb
rfkill 12510 3 bluetooth
cx24116 13077 2
ir_lirc_codec 3767 0
lirc_dev 7899 1 ir_lirc_codec
ir_sony_decoder 1847 0
ir_jvc_decoder 1909 0
ir_rc6_decoder 2325 0
ir_rc5_decoder 1813 0
ir_nec_decoder 2293 0
nvidia 10508189 50
cx23885 115535 40
rc_core 13136 7 ir_lirc_codec,ir_sony_decoder,ir_jvc_decoder,ir_rc6_decoder,ir_rc5_decoder,ir_nec_decoder,cx23885
altera_stapl 23849 1 cx23885
cx2341x 15572 1 cx23885
videobuf_dma_sg 7144 1 cx23885
videobuf_dvb 3890 1 cx23885
videobuf_core 13652 3 cx23885,videobuf_dma_sg,videobuf_dvb
v4l2_common 5351 2 cx23885,cx2341x
snd_hda_intel 19261 0
videodev 70734 3 cx23885,cx2341x,v4l2_common
media 8545 1 videodev
altera_ci 8004 1 cx23885
snd_hda_codec 66793 3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 4919 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm 60311 3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
dvb_core 77565 3 cx23885,videobuf_dvb,altera_ci
btcx_risc 2879 1 cx23885
tveeprom 10465 1 cx23885
snd_timer 15542 1 snd_pcm
snd 43527 7 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer
firewire_ohci 25683 0
soundcore 5018 1 snd
uhci_hcd 19344 0
snd_page_alloc 5909 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
firewire_core 43390 1 firewire_ohci
ehci_hcd 34847 0
sg 21022 0
r8169 34923 0
usbcore 119004 8 rt2870sta,usbhid,usb_storage,uas,btusb,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
button 3654 0
i2c_i801 7039 0
mii 3383 1 r8169
crc_itu_t 1077 1 firewire_core
evdev 7310 11
iTCO_wdt 10333 0
pcspkr 1415 0
iTCO_vendor_support 1553 1 iTCO_wdt
asus_atk0110 9099 0
uinput 5864 0
acpi_cpufreq 5053 1
freq_table 2055 2 cpufreq_ondemand,acpi_cpufreq
processor 21884 1 acpi_cpufreq
mperf 1035 1 acpi_cpufreq
fuse 58669 3
ext4 334626 2
mbcache 4321 2 ext2,ext4
jbd2 59098 1 ext4
crc16 1077 2 bluetooth,ext4
sd_mod 25515 7
sr_mod 12956 0
cdrom 31341 1 sr_mod
pata_acpi 2396 0
pata_marvell 2084 4
ata_piix 18569 1
libata 154349 3 pata_acpi,pata_marvell,ata_piix
scsi_mod 110670 6 usb_storage,uas,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata
radeon 907876 0
ttm 45533 1 radeon
drm_kms_helper 24245 1 radeon
drm 147653 3 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit 4431 1 radeon
i2c_core 16665 11 cx24116,cx23885,v4l2_common,videodev,nvidia,tveeprom,i2c_i801,radeon,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit
intel_agp 8664 0
intel_gtt 11417 1 intel_agp
agpgart 22160 5 nvidia,ttm,drm,intel_agp,intel_gtt
Anyone know how to get this thing working?

tomk wrote:Have a look in dmesg for relevant messages.
Yep, had done that, nothing relevant ..
I think it is the dongles though ... I did find one that would work ... so go figure.

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      Vendor ID:          0x0a5c  (Broadcom Corp.)
      Version:           1.00
      Speed:          Up to 12 Mb/sec
      Manufacturer:          Apple Inc.
      Location ID:          0x06100000
      Current Available (mA):          500
      Current Required (mA):          0
    Bluetooth USB Host Controller:
      Product ID:          0x8217
      Vendor ID:          0x05ac  (Apple Inc.)
      Version:           1.80
      Serial Number:          xxxxxxxxx
      Speed:          Up to 12 Mb/sec
      Manufacturer:          Apple Inc.
      Location ID:          0x06110000
      Current Available (mA):          500
      Current Required (mA):          0
    Here are my bluetooth setting:
      Apple Bluetooth Software Version:          2.4.0f1
      Hardware Settings:
      Address:          xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
      Manufacturer:          Cambridge Silicon Radio
      Name:          billbarnes
      Firmware Version:          5941
      Bluetooth Power:          On
      Discoverable:          No
      Vendor ID:          0
      Product ID:          0x1
      HCI Version:          4 (0x4)
      HCI Revision:          5941 (0x1735)
      LMP Version:          4 (0x4)
      LMP Subversion:          5941 (0x1735)
      Device Type (Major):          Computer
      Device Type (Complete):          Macintosh Portable
      Composite Class Of Device:          3670284 (0x38010c)
      Device Class (Major):          1 (0x1)
      Device Class (Minor):          3 (0x3)
      Service Class:          448 (0x1c0)
      Requires Authentication:          No
      Services:
      Bluetooth File Transfer:
      Folder other devices can browse:          ~/Public
      Requires Authentication:          Yes
      State:          Enabled
      Bluetooth File Exchange:
      Folder for accepted items:          ~/Downloads
      Requires Authentication:          Yes
      When other items are accepted:          Ask
      When PIM items are accepted:          Ask
      When receiving items:          Prompt for each file
      State:          Enabled
      Devices (Paired, Favorites, etc)
      Manufacturer:          Cambridge Silicon Radio (0x3, 0x10db)
      Incoming Serial Ports:
      Serial Port 1:
      Name:          Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
      RFCOMM Channel:          3
      Requires Authentication:          No
      Outgoing Serial Ports:
      Serial Port 1:
      Address:
      Name:          Bluetooth-Modem
      RFCOMM Channel:          0
      Requires Authentication:          No

    Hi X42:
    Your last paragraph intrigued me as I had the same impression:
      I thought unlicensed BT devices were legally limited by the FCC to about 30 feet (3 meters)
    Actually, 30 feet is 10 meters. 
    Anyway, I researched and found this as part of a Wikipedia item:
    Bluetooth is a standard wire-replacement communications protocol primarily designed for low power consumption, with a short range (power-class-dependent, but effective ranges vary in practice; see table below) based on low-cost transceiver microchips in each device.[7] Because the devices use a radio (broadcast) communications system, they do not have to be in visual line of sight of each other, however a quasi optical wireless path must be viable.[2]
    Class
    Maximum Permitted Power
    Range
    (approximate)
    mW
    dBm
    Class 1
    100
    20
    ~100 meters
    Class 2
    2.5
    4
    ~10 meters
    Class 3
    1
    0
    ~5 meter
    The effective range varies due to propagation conditions, material coverage, production sample variations, antenna configurations and battery conditions. In most cases the effective range of class 2 devices is extended if they connect to a class 1 transceiver, compared to a pure class 2 network. This is accomplished by the higher sensitivity and transmission power of Class 1 devices.[8]
    Apparently there are BT devices that will transmit about 300 feet.  I did look at the FCC site, but quickly became confused in the technbabble.
    Barry

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