No doubt the best phone ever made!!!!

Hi,
I cannot yet buy an iPhone as i live in the UK but i have no doubts in my mind that when it comes out i will be stading in line.
Was at work today and i noticed one in a customers hand (from San Francisco), just from the size of the screen i knew what it was.
It was like having one of Apples videos demonstarting the phone infront of me, saw the golden gate bridge on google maps, watched a video through the iPod function and even located his grandma's house via her contact dress in google maps.
Those of you that have one don't know how lucky you are.

Oh, I do know how lucky I am. I'm still geeking out over the fact the phone can sense when I move it up to my ear to instantly turn off the screen and turn it back on when I move it away.
Sure there are a few kinks but this really is what a mobile phone should be. Easy for us to take things like this for granted but wow. Really is a great product and it's really nice to see such quick support in the form of applications and sites optimized for the iPhone.
I certainly look forward to software updates by Apple and everything else that will enhance this device.

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Blackberry Pearl- Why it's the worst phone ever made

Here's why I think the Blackberry Pearl is the worst phone ever made.
1. I can't get photo's off of it. My G1 takes a few seconds. I've worked with this Pear for hours upon hours cannot get my photo's off of it. The Desktop manager really bites too no help there. I really dislike this phone. The software just as bad. I guess they were on the move when Desktop manager was getting written.
2. The phone on occasions would lock on letters instead of numbers. There wasn't an intuitive way to get it unlocked. I found it more intuitive to get a my return from the IRS than it was to get the phone back to dialing numbers.
I'm having my kids dress up as a Blackberry Pearl for Halloween. I'm going to make a Halloween Movie Freddy Kruger attacks people with Blackberry Pearl the topper scene features unsuspecting Pearl user getting tied up and has them attempt to copy their photos off to a PC and the video gets put on Youtube for Christmas.
Very unsatisfied with your product.
Don Quixote

I want to join the fun here and list all the different reasons why I'm very unsatisfied with this phone.
The actual phone part of this phone is pretty slow. It accepts a phone number almost 3 times slower than I can type it in. Even typing a name on their handy search bar takes forever to get a result. If I type to fast, it just ignores a couple of my numbers so I have to delete and retype, at the same super slow pace. I'm guessing that it searches all sorts of contact and history lists to give me cool suggestions, and that's what makes it so slow. Either way, it irritates me to no end that the basic reason I have this thing is slow as dirt.
All 3rd Party and Blackberry apps require the Blackberry data service. Even though there's WIFI on this phone, you simply can't connect to anything except the Browser (and even the Browser requires some setting changes to bypass the upsell screen). This phone CAN do 3rd party services and other applications without the Blackberry data service, but they just don't allow you to.
Sometimes my phone just turns off. I don't normally mind the 3 minute boot up process, but when I'm in the middle of something and my phone turns off for no reason, it just compounds my frustration.
The keyboard freezes up all the time. After a good 1-5 minute "please wait clock", I finally get a message saying there was an error and my input application had to be reset. Sometimes it doesn't quite reset all the way and I have to pull the battery and again wait for the long boot up process.
Its a little unreliable. Besides the phone turning off at random and the keyboard freezing, I still have problems other problems. My bluetooth turns off and sometimes doesn't come back. Once I had to get a new phone sent to me in order to correct that problem. Pressing buttons doesn't always get a response, especially the green "call" button. If the phone is bogged down, it just ignored commands, which is pretty frustrating especially if you press a button and accidently double enter a command that is both the "on" and "off" options. Also, sometimes the screen fades out (like its suppose to) but doesn't come back when you press keys. Or the external notifications just don't turn on. It somestimes just doesn't read my memory card. The zoom feature on my camera also got stuck.
Other small gripes involve having no caps lock, the SureType never learning from my typing ("Hey" always goes out as "Get"), its overall slowness, the looseness of the back casing, the low quality camera, and so much more.
I don't suggest this phone to anyone.

THe BEST phone I ever had....Nokia 1100 - Nokia, p...

I have just had to pay SILLY money for a Nokia 1100 - the BEST phone I ever had. PLEASE, Nokia, re-release this excellent phone....for me, what's done is done, but, please make this phone available for others...I cannot reccomend the Nokia 1100 HIGHLY ENOUGH. The fact that people are now sheling out £££ speaks vulumes....
Here is my Amazon review for this EXCELLENT phone....
"I am someone who likes things exactly so. For a lot of things, basic doesn't do it for me.
For example, I won't use anything but the highly customisable Firefox (with Adblock Plus, Noscript, Stylish and Social Fixer add-ons), to get the web just the way I want.
You know what? As far as mobiles go, this IS just the way I want already.
Here are the reasons...
* Simple and easy to use
* Old style monochrome viewer, with a backlight, which means that, unlike basically every other phone on the market, whatever the time of day...indoors, outdoors, day, night, the display is always - ALWAYS easy to read.
* It has a 'Loud' profile. As someone who is slightly hard of hearing, this means that I absolutely always hear when someone rings me or texts me.
* Unlike a lot of other phones, the alarm clock is loud enough to actualy wake me up.
* Rounded keys...meaning that I don't struggle to type someone's number.
* Durable. I have had this model for over 5 years, in that time, it's been on the roof of a car that's driven off, falen on concrete from 10 foot, been with me when I've fallen over drunk countless times, and who knows what else...and it still works perfectly.
* Long battery life. I only have to charge it once every 12-14 days.
* It's basic, so won't get nicked. It's fallen out of my pocket in pubs, clubs and at a party, and I've always had it back.
Three times, I have 'upgraded' when I've been flush, and three times, I've come back to my trusty Nokia 1100.
I cannot rate this phone highly enough. Shame on Nokia for discontinuing it..."

As far as what people want from phones nowadays is concerned...I accept that, but, there are plenty f us out there who want a phone to be - A PHONE - it's not rocket science. I spand ages online - but, through my PC - where I can see hings properly, and with Firefox add-ons, Adblock Plus and Noscript, I'm safer than safe, and don't get to see any capitalist rubbish. Also, the fact that prices for the Nokia 1100 are rising, and rising rapidly...that, to me, suggests something...myself, I've bought a second one just as a backup...my first one lasted me well over a decade before I lost it...so, I reckon these wil last me well into my life...

I want to know what is the best phone??

i want to buy phone what the best phone for a man in 18 old

depends on what are your needs. some phones are focused only on a perticular feature.eg n93 for video recording,n73 for images.
At last a nseries phone im truely happy with THE N82

C3-01 The Worst phone ever nokia released....

C3-01 The Worst phone ever nokia released....bcz of no poor software,does not provide basic functions where other cheap phone do,
touch screen Problem...and so on....

I contributed to this thread earlier:
http:///t5/Cseries/C3-01-Problems-and-Limitations/m-p/1050133/highlight/false#M20370
Since then I've resolved the WAP problem; but as the OP has stated, the problems I've had with mine have been far and away more than all the phones I've had in the past -combined!
It fails on calls (I'm paying of the call, but nothing can be heard)..Today my touchscreen decided to go AWOL. and locked up..so I took out the battery, same again..then the battery AND the SIM card. Same again..It wouldn't unlock, the only buttons that worked were the push button ones...Then it decided it would work a little, and auto scrolled (Yes really!) the side bar..The it defaulted to the help screen without being touched (Battery out again)...then it worked as it should..but now...if I try to press an icon, it moves up the screen as I press it, so I can't actually open (for example) messages or my address book. If I hold the menu icon down for three seconds, it will eventually open up, but the rest won't..but it might all change in an hour or two..So yes, i agree with the original message it is probably the worse phone Nokia has released.

The best expense app for the best phone?

Hi guys,
I still haven't gotten an iPhone because I use Palm and I can't be without PocketQuicken (Not a palm app, rather a 3rd. party app) it takes care of all of my expenses on the road and then syncs them with Quicken on my Mac, I get to know in real time anywhere how much money I have or how much credit I still have on a credit card, it can also keep my monthly budget. It's ideal for traveling business men or for people who like to know where there money is or has gone to.
Please Apple, invite the people at http://www.landware.com/pocketquicken/ to make an internal app for the iPhone, so that the best phone would have the best expense program out there. Thus giving something very useful to the iphone users. It's the only thing stopping me from getting an iPhone. I have many, believe me! many 3rd. party apps in my Treo, but the only one that I can't live without is this one. Please consider it. Thanks!

Something that I left out is that it can also be a standalone app no need to have quicken in the Mac, it can fully do the expenses and much more on it's own. And the best part is that it wouldn't interfere with any of the phone's features, like WiFi or anything like that so no harm would come from making it an internal app.

Nokia E52 BEST Phone ever used, but come on Nokia ...

Hi there,
Nokia plz listen,
The Nokia E52 is the best phone i have owned, in fact it is one of the few phones I bought directly from Nokia rather than via contract etc. Perfect SIze, excellent build quality, good screen, oodles of features, great battery and the best feature is the great well set out keypad.
The E52 is now getting on 2-3 years old, and although its great to use with the nice weighted keys, screen and features, I wish Nokia would bring out a newer E52 with a few subtle upgrades which I am sure will get Nokia sales back up to where they should be.
Most businesses still prefer keypad phones than touchscreen, and the E52 is a massive hit in the UK for example.
Nokia, add some features like this to new E52 successor:
1) Joystick navigation should be the same but with touchpad controls (same as E72)
2) Faster CPU- e52 feels sluggish
3) More memory
4) SYmbian seems to no longer be supported, so not sure if a newer symbian or WM/Android software is needed.
5) DO NOT make it touchscreen, I want a phone that has a good battery and does not need charging everyday like Touchscreen phones.
6) Better camera with autofocus features.
Nokia, this is the perfect phone, just add the above features and the people who still love keypad phones will come to buy the handset, I know I would....
Does Nokia even read these forums and feedback to the developers?
Anyone else share the same view?

Yes I am also waiting for a successor of my E52.
I had an E51 before and now the 52 .... both the best phones for my kind of usage.
As many others I tried touch-phones but it just does not feel 'right' for me. I know it is up
to taste but I like to have a telephone, if you know what I mean. Also phones like the Iphone
etc. do not have any kind of 'want-to-have' effect on me, and it might be by (a big?) part that I
associate these phones more and more with 16y old teens using them ... well actually
the biggest part of the grown-ups seem to want to do the same
Sadly the market for businesslike 'real' phones is becoming smaller and smaller. I still like
my E52 a lot but I would like to see some changes on my wish-successor.
- As mentioned: Better processor. All programs should start fast. Menus pop up instantly etc.
-Would love a phone like this with a high-res display, 640*320 .... with a deep dark. One is allowed to dream ;-)
- Keypad-light done more sophisticated build, maybe single led for the different keys, well I am no
ingenieur.
-Scroll-Pad: I'd like a scroll function like in a blackberry. Could be useful with Emails, websites etc.
- Better OS: I know this will be the killer for that phone as Symbian will only go so far anymore and
sadly everything new developed is touch centered. I do not know how far Windows Phone etc. could be
incorporated.
Well ... let's see what will come in the future

LG Extravert possibly the worst phone ever!

"Upgraded" to this phone and I have to say it was the worst mistake I have ever made as far as phones go. 1. The screenlock button is at the top right side, so whenever you grab the phone normally and try to do anything with it, adjust volume, whatever, the screenlock button is inadvertently touched more often than not and locks the screen up. Horrible placement for that button. 2. The speakerphone is the worst sounding piece of junk ever! I can get better sound out of a garage sale walkie-talkie! 3. If I want to listen to my voicemails, check a bank account balance, etc., and I dial from the closed position, as soon as the call connects, the screen goes dark and I can't put in passwords, account numbers, menu options and the like from the touchscreen. I have to open the phone and do everything from the Qwerty...AND turn off the speaker phone(which is activated when I slide the phone open) to keep my account info and voicemails from being soundblasted all over creation. 4. But, by far, the most irritating thing about this piece of junk is the horrible problem with texting. After having the phone for about two weeks, I noticed I could not delete certain texts. No matter how I tried to do it, texts would not delete! I took it in to Verizon and they rebooted it several times and every time the texts were still there! Since there wasn't anything horribly important contained in those texts, I took the chance at exchanging it anyway, knowing personal info was still on the phone. I took the new one home, and two weeks later, SAME thing started happening, only worse!. Not only could I not delete loads of texts(a few I could), I but texts that I hadn't even read yet were disappearing. I get the alert that a text had come in, I open the screen to read the text from "John Doe", and the text disappeared! I later found it in the folder of "Jan Smith". A response to a text from my son, he never got, but it shows up in the sent folder to an entirely different person. I sent an "I Love You!" to my wife. Doesn't show up there...it shows up as a sent text to a guy friend of mine. This is so ridiculous I don't think I will give this back to Verizon. I would like a credit on my account for the $45 in upgrade fees and taxes, and I want to keep the phone. I will take it home, throw it down in the driveway and enjoy beating the snot out of it with a sledgehammer!

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Is the G4-450 AGP the best Mac ever?

Have Apple ever made a better Mac than the original G4-450 AGP?
Well, it had to happen one day, I am now passing on my 8-1/2 year old G4-450 to my wife. This machine has run every OS from the 8.6 it came with to 10.5 today. It's ease of upgrade is amazing and the implants include an OWC G4-1.2GHz card, an ATA controller card to enable 128GB plus hard discs, a USB card, Airport card, an ATI 8500 graphics card and a bluetooth stick.
With all of this, it continues in operation today, running nearly continuously with no problems (the fans are a little noisier). It is only my requirements for video editing that has meant I need to move on, iMovie 4 and iDVD 4 are the end of the line for disc creation and HD is not really an option. I only hope my new MacPro 2.8 will have deliver the same level of service.
Talking of service, I got this machine as a free replacement for my 2 yr old 20th Anniversary Mac after it had a sound problem that could not be fixed. So it is actually 10-1/2 years since I "bought" it. Apple's service was excellent.
Show me a PC manufacturer where you could save the same.
Dave

Here's my two cents. I purchased my 400 mhz AGP Sawtooth in 2000 w/ OS 9.0 1 installed, and I had no inkling about the fun and joy I was about to experience. I would run Photoshop 6, iTunes, Nikon scan, Microsoft Word, Internet Explorer, Quark, etc. all at the same time........and although Photoshop would take 30, 40, 50 seconds to process a high rez scan command, I thought it was lightning fast. The Sawtooth was clearly faster than my friends' PCs with the faster Intel processors. Didn't you love Sound Jam (now the designers of iTunes), with Its funky graphics visualizer options. Once-in-a-while my G4 would crash from bottlenecking with all those applications opened. But it always got back up and finished the race, or tried again.
My first upgrade was adding RAM to the full complement of 1536 MB, and that increased the speed of processing. I have added large capacity Hard Drives, and upgraded the CPU to a dual 1.8 Ghz 7447A; and now Photoshop really does process lightning fast....well fast, really, in seconds. I've installed an M-audio 7.1 sound card, with the resulting fidelity richer, and clearer. Upgrading has been easy, and fun! Next I will upgrade the power supply to an ATX 550 W unit that I just purchased after some research. Then I will upgrade the AGP card to the 9800 Radeon Pro 256, and the monitor.....+you get the picture+. Upgrading isn't economical, but I do it because it's fun to see how far the Sawtooth will go.
I also have to give high praise to Apple for the easy, and efficient Operating Systems they have developed. And I can't say enough about the support I get from hardware, and software developers; and other Mac users. I always find someone who is happy, and willing to lend support. My AGP G4 is still cranking. What a great machine! I can't complain, and I just don't know enough to complain.
¡Adios!

What's the best phone app to use on iPad for uk users to make calls with

I know there's a few apps out there to use and make phone calls with, but which is the best one for uk users/callers.
I would prefer not to use Skype but if that's the best on the market, that's what I will use.
As you can probably guess I'm new to the iPad, so all the help I get is appreciated loads.

Cheers for that, looks like I will have to use Skype then. Unless someone else comes up with an answer.

E90 - is the best phone for me!

hello friends
i am a internet crazy guy.. I am looking for a phone which has larger screen and a full qwerty keyboard.. and yes wifi
i think e90 is the best.. in India it cost around 34,000/- rupees
any change of price drop in near future!

25-Dec-2007 08:55 AM
dotcommakers wrote:
ok i will wait till march
but can you answer me.. if E90 is the right choice for me?
regards
Every Nokia models have a target customer. Its up to the customer to select which ones fit his/her purposes. As for me since I do long travel the N91-8gb sufficed( loads of apps(do away w/ my pa & mp3 player(superb sounds) & e-books if i got tired of listening.
Knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted!
If you find it helpfull, it's not hard to click the STAR..

Just the worst phone ever? Lumia 810

I had one Nokia 810. It started freezing and restarting randomly, one or more times a day. Then one day it stopped turning on all together. When I charged it, it would flash the t-mobile logo every 5 or 10 minutes and show a low battery symbol. t-mobile was no help. Of course Nokia support was no help. Got another from T-Mobile AND bought a new battery. Battery has been charged for a couple hours- the new phone won't even start! Am I losing my mind? What could I possibly be doing wrong. Yes, I've tried different chargers. How long is a new battery supposed to take to charge? Nokia says 2 hours for a full charge. Obviously, I'm ready to throw this phone in the trash and start over. No more Nokia in my future.
Solved!
Go to Solution.

For anyone else struggling with this- Lumia 810 won't turn on, won't charge, cycling through T-mobile logo, Nextel logo, and red battery symbol- I don't have a solution but I did manage to resolve...something.
Pressing combinations of buttons did nothing. Troubleshooting on a computer did nothing.
In the end the problem seened to be that the battery completely discharged and, for whatever reason, would not recharge.
I hooked my old 810 and old battery up to the USB port on my PC. It cycled, as usual, but several hours later it was on. It completely reset but it was on.
I put the old batter into the new Lumia I received an it powered right on. It continued to charge and work normally from that point.
I put the new battery into the old Lumia to see if it would charge as well. Several hours later it is still cycling. So...
One battery responded to being plugged charged by a PC. The other battery has not responded yet, but I hope that it will. The mystery is that only one phone (the old phone) cycled and showed the battery symbol. The new phone did nothing at all until I put the partially charged batter in it.
I wonder if a place like battery source could charge the battery that hasn't responded yet and that will resolve this. If it does, I'll let you all know. If none of the other suggestions are working for you (they didn't for me) try leaving the phone overnight plugged into the PC. I also wonder if I need an authenthic Nokia charger...

I dunno about you guys... but this is the best phone I've ever had.

Yeah, 4G isnt always there. But, this phone is BLAZING fast. I've had maybe 5 stutters of lag in the last week or so that i've had it. Coming from a Droid Incredible, this is a godsend.
I had to set Force GPU Rendering and Window and Transition Animation Scale to 0.5x, and thats all this phone needed.
Honestly, here are the improvements I'd ask for, but these ARE NOT complaints; these are things that I'm happy without and even happier with:
1. Camera: same as Nexus, but make it 8MP as well as a bit higher quality
2. Give us the option for a fixed menu button (like the on screen home button -- just leave a menu button right there in the bottom right corner).
3. Give us the ability to create shortcuts to any setting and application (IE, i want to be able to jump directly to Developer Options, or I want to have a shortcut for Voice Search on the bottom of my screen.)
and LASTLY
4. MAKE A 3D phone LIKE THE EVO 3D!!
But, HONESTLY verizon, you did a good job in my book on this one. And the customer service was phenomenal, rep named Steven helped me. I couldn't be happier right now with this phone. Keep trying to do things with the customer in mind
Sincerely,
Mr. Happy Customer for once.

roadrunnersk wrote:
Yeah, 4G isnt always there. But, this phone is BLAZING fast. I've had maybe 5 stutters of lag in the last week or so that i've had it. Coming from a Droid Incredible, this is a godsend.
I had to set Force GPU Rendering and Window and Transition Animation Scale to 0.5x, and thats all this phone needed.
Honestly, here are the improvements I'd ask for, but these ARE NOT complaints; these are things that I'm happy without and even happier with:
1. Camera: same as Nexus, but make it 8MP as well as a bit higher quality
for me, 5mp is good enough. If I want to take a picture for a portrait, I will get my DSLR out
2. Give us the option for a fixed menu button (like the on screen home button -- just leave a menu button right there in the bottom right corner).
This is an app issue. Apps that have not been compiled with ICS API installed (Most of the apps), the menu button will jump around, but for Google apps that are preinstalled, the menu is in its proper place. There are a couple of exceptions, where the Google app has a menu in a different spot that the other apps. At times it can be frustrating since you do not have it in the sameplace for everything, but I am starting to like the 'no hardware button' concept with ICS.
3. Give us the ability to create shortcuts to any setting and application (IE, i want to be able to jump directly to Developer Options, or I want to have a shortcut for Voice Search on the bottom of my screen.)
There is a shortcut to settings in the notification bar. Press on the settings icon looking thing, and it will bring you to the settings menu. Not as nice as a shortcut to the specific setting, but this allows you not to take up home screen real estate with a shortcut to settings.
and LASTLY
4. MAKE A 3D phone LIKE THE EVO 3D!!
Not a feature that I would want personally, but that is nice about Android..... different strokes for different folks, unlike Apple where everyone has to have the same hardware.
But, HONESTLY verizon, you did a good job in my book on this one. And the customer service was phenomenal, rep named Steven helped me. I couldn't be happier right now with this phone. Keep trying to do things with the customer in mind
Sincerely,
Mr. Happy Customer for once.
You are right.... this is a good phone. I came from the Droid X world, and having a phone without blur is simply great. Apps run much better, less problems with apps and it works good for me. One thing I noticed, I have an app I use when driving, which gives me my speed, direction, and the temp of where I am currently located. On the X, sometimes it took up to three minutes for the GPS to start working. With the Nexus, the GPS is working with 20-30 seconds.

Kudos to the best phone company in America

I had Verizon for 9 years and have recently moved to an area without Verizon. I don't feel the need to disparage other companies but the area service providers are terrible. For those of you complaining about Verizon, you should try anything else. I am not a plant, I run a home business. I have been without phone for 3 weeks trying to get set up with internet and phone. It is a travesty. Verizon was always reachable and their workers are much better trained that what i have encountered recently. Thank you for 9 great years of service.

Thank you for your kind words! I'm sorry we don't have service in your new location, but if you ever move back to an area where we serve we'll welcome you back with open arms! Best of luck to you!
Travis S.
Verizon Telecom Social Media Team

Why cant apple remove their java and adobe restictions if they did that it would be the best phone on the market!!!!!

why cant they make every site viewable.. if they would just get over themselves restricting the phones from certain sites.

Apple earns the overwhelming majority of their profit - far and away from the sale of their hardware - computers, iPods, iPads, and iPhones. Not from the sale of software and certainly not from iTunes store sales. The iTunes store is set up as a break even for Apple with this included with their financial reporting.
You are right about Apple not wanting to depend on a 3rd party for playing video via the internet, and anyone with a clue wouldn't want that either.
http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash
"To my knowledge, Apple controls the entire source code to the iPhone OS. That’s not to say they wrote the whole thing from scratch. Many low-level OS components are open source. But they have the source. If there’s a bug, they can fix it. If something is slow, they can optimize or re-write it. That is not true for Mac OS X, and Flash is a prime example. The single leading source of application crashes on Mac OS X is a component that Apple can’t fix."
That would be Flash.
"This is why Apple wants to control the source code to the entire OS. If they want to go 64-bit with iPhone OS, it’s entirely in Apple’s own control to do so. And what happens if Apple goes to a new CPU architecture? For the components Apple controls the source code to, they can recompile for the new architecture. If the entire system doesn’t recompile cleanly for the new architecture, they can work on it until it does. For a component like Flash, where Adobe controls the source code, Apple instead has to wait."
"Which situation do you think Apple is happier with? Mac OS X, where they had to create a new web content plugin architecture because Flash crashes frequently and isn’t 64-bit? Or iPhone OS, where they control the source code to every single component, and can do whatever they want, when they want?"
"Apple isn’t trying to replace Flash with its own proprietary thing. They’re replacing it with H.264 and HTML5. This is good for everyone but Adobe."
"And yes, I know Flash does much more than just play video. But that’s the main thing everyone is talking about when they talk about Flash not working on the iPhone — video. And when you talk about other uses for Flash, you’re talking about serving as a software runtime, and whether you like it or not, Apple has a clearly stated opposition to third-party software runtimes for iPhone OS, and that policy seems to be working out pretty well for them."

No doubt the best phone ever made!!!!

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