No EAX in games on PCI Express X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro

9No EAX in games on PCI Express X-Fi Titanium Fatalty Proo Hey all!
I am another seriously frustrated Creative customer who spend a lot of money on the most crappy hardware I have ever owned. :angry:
I own the PCI Express X-Fi Titanium Fatalty Pro and have problems getting EAX in OpenAL games. I think I finally got it to work in Trackmania but in Race Driver GRID I have no effects what so ever. A correct working X-Fi setup with GRID should sound like this.
I have tried almost anything by now - downloaded the latest OpenAL 2. from this forum, copied OpenAL files back and forth, tried daniel_k's latest driver package which gave me BSOD! Please - can someone help?
Rightmark via DirectSound and Alchemy works like a charm by the way - full EAX 4.0 supports etc.

=Re: No EAX in games on PCI Express X-Fi Titanium Fatalty Pro? AlCapsViewer info:
System Information
Report Time: 200/3/9 6:25:28
BIOS: A_M_I_ - 3000906 BIOS Date: 03/06/09 4:05:0 Ver: 08.00.4?
Processor: ~3400MHz Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad? CPU? Q9550? @ 2.83GHz
Memory: 8 GB
Default Audio Device Name: H?jttalere (Creative SB X-Fi)
Audio Driver Filename: {0.0.0.00000000}.{6d9fcb07-da45-4a72-a7c7-40d9978d64a}
Audio Driver File Version:
Audio Driver Product Version:?
ALCapsViewer Version: .0.3.0
OpenAL Components
Name??? Path???? Version??
OpenAL32.dll? C:\Windows\system32\? 6.4.357.22?
wrap_oal.dll? C:\Windows\system32\? 2..8.
OpenAL Devices
Name: Generic Software
Sample Offset: Yes
Linear Distance Model: Yes
Exponent Distance Model: Yes
Capture: Yes
Enumeration: Yes
EAX 2.0: Yes
EAX 3.0: No
EAX 4.0: No
EAX 5.0: No
X-RAM: No
Enumerate All: Yes
EFX .0: Yes
Seems that both my X-Ram and EAX is not detected..... Help please!

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