No Firewire 400 on the new Mac Pro's

So anyone out there have experience using Firewire 400 to 800 cables with audio interfaces? Are there any known performance issues?

Hi. I have a firewire 410 and noticed it causing kernel panics either starting up or shutting down I installed the latest update drivers and the problems subsided every once and a while I'll get a panic when I turn on/off the firewire 410 while starting up or shutting down my mac this however this doesn't effect performance it runs great! just watch when you power up the firewire.

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How to use hard drives with the new mac pro

A few quick questions about upgrading to new Mac pro desktop
I currently have 4 internal hard drives for a total of 8T
What will the solution be to add storage to the new desktop?
I assume it will be thunderbolt options?
Lets say I wanted at least 8TB of storage to add to the computer
and attached the storage via thunderbolt will it be as fast data throughput
as the harddrives in my current computer hooked up to the external bus?
I also have a pci card running my audio plugins for Universal Audio how will those pci
cards work on the new mac pro?

Also will the transfer rate with the pegas be as fast as if the drives were connected to the bus in the machines like the old mac pro?
To answer that, think of this as a Bottleneck problem. The overall performance is as slow as the slowest device.
At this writing typical rotating drives can produce a momentary burst at 125 MBytes/sec or 1,000 Mbits/sec. Only FireWire 800 is starting to be a limit for that -- EVERYTHING else is faster. Thunderbolt-1 is 10,000 Mbits/sec -- ten times faster.
The best SSD can produce a burst at maybe 800 MBytes/sec or 6,400 Mbits/sec. There is not a big speed difference in an SSD RAID, because the latency is already low. But the 10,000 Mbits/sec of ThunderBolt-1 is still plenty fast enough for that as well.
If ThunderBolt-2 devices really can run a single data stream at 20,000 Mbits/sec, that does not make ANYTHING faster -- it just moves the ceiling (potential bottleneck) a bit farther away.

What is the best storage solution for the new Mac Pro

Hi All,
With limited funds when purchasing the new Mac Pro, I'm starting to look at storage for music/pictures/video etc - I'm thinking of storing this data externally and connecting via Thunderbolt or Firewire or USB3 to access the data... Not sure what type of storage to use, upgrading to 1TB PCIe-based flash seems excessive for costs and I would like at least 2TB, anyone have any suggestions?
What are the alternatives for storage... (single disk Raid) I've recently had to replace my internal WD hard drive (lost everything) and the backup time capsule failed, again knackered disk (looks like WD format error with Maverick OS bug), don't want to format them just incase..
With the new Mac Pro coming with 256GB PCIe-based flash storage, I'm reluctant to upgrade the storage because of costs and would like some redudancy when it comes to storage.
Any suggestions?
Many thanks
Russ

landing page at OWC for Thunderbolt products.
Helios enclosure (the new dual-slot Helios PCIe chassis) and moving various hard drives into Thunderbolt cases (in time) but mainly into my favorite USB3 hard drive enclosure.
For those without eSATA enclosures, a simple eSATA to USB3 adapter might do the trick.
USB3 is plenty fast to house two hard drives.
If you can, I'd try to order with 500GB to get started and have more room for system and default for scratch or even for Aperture/iPhoto or Lightroom.
Always take the precaution and zero a drive before use. Want a solid enterprise ideal for RAID, then look no further than Seagate Constellation series. 128MB cache doesn't hurt and fine for RAID5, NAS or whatever you want.
There should be retail PCIe-SSD products in 2014.
Large storage, http://macperformanceguide.com/topic-thunderbolt.html

WHY AFTER EFFECTS STILLS SO SLOW IN THE NEW MAC PRO?

I have the new mac pro with this settings:
3 GHz 8-Core Intel Xeon E5
64 GB 1867 MHz DDR3 ECC
AMD FirePro D700 6144 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2
And the AE performs slower than in my old mac pro. I have set the preferences as seen on all those tutorials on this site, I have an SSD external disc for cache files, memory and multiprocessing settings correctly...and previews are very very slow, and I can not even render a single comp without waiting 10 minutes. I am very disappointed and frustrated with this situation...
Am I missing something?

I don't understand why it's even up to the user to figure out what settings are best. Isn't the application in a vastly superior position to know what its resource constraints are at any given moment? Instead I have to try rendering a couple of comps, kill the render, fix the render queue since AE STILL doesn't offer a graceful way to quit and resume renders.
I have to say that one of the attributes of AE that consistently disappoints me is multiprocessing and its accompanying memory management policies. I regularly produce hundreds of network graphics at a go, and I can never reap any benefit from multiprocessing, because AE has to load the entire project into each core, instead of just loading the comps it needs to render at any given time. Similarly, a project that requires 400 heavily-automated versions (a regular occurrence for some of my Latin America clients, where graphics have to be versioned for multiple feeds and languages) can simply choke AE. If it could load this stuff into memory on-the-fly (or at least offload some of it when memory gets tight), this wouldn't be a problem, and I sincerely doubt the performance would be worse than it is now. This is on a previous-gen Mac Pro with 48 GB RAM, so, while not strictly state-of-the-art, it's no slouch.
Heck, even opening some of these projects just to browse their contents is a painful 30-minute process, as AE apparently has to not only load everything into memory before I can even do anything, but, judging by how it hangs for many minutes at 99% on the progress bar, it also seems to be evaluating all the expressions in all the hundreds of comps (presumably so it can render the project thumbnails). And yes, I've tried splitting the projects up, but this leads to its own complications, particularly when revisions come in a week or two later.
I don't want any of this to sound overly negative, since I know AE has a small team and this sort of stuff isn't trivial to implement. I do appreciate this application and all it does, particularly for me creatively and professionally. I just get a bit tired of seeing new releases come every year and this stuff seems to go unaddressed.

Performance with the new Mac Pros?

I sold my old Mac Pro (first generation) a few months ago in anticipation of the new line-up. In the meantime, I purchased a i7 iMac and 12GB of RAM. This machine is faster than my old Mac for most Aperture operations (except disk-intensive stuff that I only do occasionally).
I am ready to purchase a "real" Mac, but I'm hesitating because the improvements just don't seem that great. I have two questions:
1. Has anyone evaluated qualitative performance with the new ATI 5870 or 5770? Long ago, Aperture seemed pretty much GPU-constrained. I'm confused about whether that's the case anymore.
2. Has anyone evaluated any of the new Mac Pro chips for general day-to-day use? I'm interested in processing through my images as quickly as possible, so the actual latency to demosaic and render from the raw originals (Canon 1-series) is the most important metric. The second thing is having reasonable performance for multiple brushed-in effect bricks.
I'm mostly curious if anyone has any experience to point to whether it's worth it -- disregarding the other advantages like expandability and nicer (matte) displays.
Thanks.
Ben

Thanks for writing. Please don't mind if I pick apart your statements.
"For an extra $200 the 5870 is a no brainer." I agree on a pure cost basis that it's not a hard decision. But I have a very quiet environment, and I understand this card can make a lot of noise. To pay money, end up with a louder machine, and on top of that realize no significant benefit would be a minor disaster.
So, the more interesting question is: has anyone actually used the 5870 and can compare it to previous cards? A 16-bit 60 megapixel image won't require even .5GB of VRAM if fully tiled into it, for example, so I have no ability, a priori, to prove to myself that it will matter. I guess I'm really hoping for real-world data. Perhaps you speak from this experience, Matthew? (I can't tell.)
Background work and exporting are helpful, but not as critical for my primary daily use. I know the CPU is also used for demosaicing or at least some subset of the render pipeline, because I have two computers that demonstrate vastly different render-from-raw response times with the same graphics card. Indeed, it is this lag that would be the most valuable of all for me to reduce. I want to be able to flip through a large shoot and see each image at 100% as instantaneously as possible. On my 2.8 i7 that process takes about 1 second on average (when Aperture doesn't get confused and mysteriously stop rendering 100% images).
Ben

How can I move my three SATA HDDs to the new Mac Pro without backing up?

Hello,
I am doing initial shopping for the new Mac Pro but have come to the frustrating realization that I cannot move my HDDs to the new computer for free. Sure, I can migrate my OS drive to the new one, but my other three disks inside my 2007 Mac Pro are in a pickle. I want an economically viable method of getting those three drives to the new Mac without backing them up, formatting or something like that. Also, I would prefer a transfer method that will rival the speed of it being internal. I don't think USB 3.0 can do this, but Thunderbolt 2 can? Everything I've seen online has been outrageiously expensive or requires me to reformat (RAID).
What I'm looking for:
Connect three or more HDDs of various capacities to new Mac Pro
Have the transfer speeds rival or exceed that of my current grandpa computer (Mac Pro 1,1)
Have it not be incredibly expensive (anything over $300 is ridiculous)
Have it be no more than two devices, one prefered unless they are individual enclosures that can either daisy chain and/or are inexpensive.
Safe for my drives.

> a 3 TB, a 1.5 TB and a 500 GB.
Most 3TB drives are going to be "green"
The 1.5TB may or may not
The 500GB is likely old, due for retirement if not worse.
A pair of two drives of 2TB likely would be enough for now and plenty of dual drive USB3 cases.
For a single drive and Thunderbolt docking adapter for using one drive at a time:
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-Thunderbolt-Adapter/dp/B009HQCARY/
Under $300 case
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/METB7DK0GB/
Or this one is fine and USB3
http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-External-Enclosure-3-5-Inch-SAT3520U3SR/dp/B0 09C5VSFU/
NO backup? You DO have some backups I hope, or you are on thin ice or walking tight rope.
Some helpful guides on USB3 vs TB
http://www.macperformanceguide.com/topics/topic-USB3.html
http://www.macperformanceguide.com/index_topics.html#MacPro2013Transition
http://www.macperformanceguide.com/topics/topic-Thunderbolt.html
1TB WD Blue go for $60?

Using the New Mac Pro (can) - AE will not let me use Race Traced 3-D

Using the New Mac Pro (can) - AE will not let me use Race Traced 3-D
Hi, I'm using the new Mac Pro
2.7 GHz 12-core Intel Xeon E5
64 GB 1867 MHz DDR3
AMD FirePro D700 6144 MB
OSX 10.9.2
I'm using After Effects 12.2.1.5
When I attempt to invoke the race trace 3D renderer in a comp, I get this error
"After Effects Error: Ray-traced 3D: Out of paged mapped memory for ray tracer. Your project may exceed GPU limits. Try closing other applications. Try updating the CUDA driver. (5070::2)"
My preferences are set to use the CPU for Raytraced 3D since I do not have an Nvidia card.
So, obviously there is an issue here in that it thinks I have an Nvidia card.
I know (or assume I know) the cause for this is that when I set up this machine, I used Apple's migration assistant to move most of my data over from the previous gen Mac Pro which DID have a CUDA card.
So my question is, what files can I delete/reset to cause After Effects to no longer look for CUDA files that do not exist on this machine?
I do not have the CUDA control panel in System Prefs, so THAT did not carry over.
Any ideas would be appreciated, thanks!

> I know (or assume I know) the cause for this is that when I set up this machine, I used Apple's migration assistant to move most of my data over from the previous gen Mac Pro which DID have a CUDA card.
Ugh. That causes so many problems.
The first thing to try is deleting the CUDA frameworks from your Mac: Look in /Library/Frameworks for the CUDA.Framework and get rid of it.

Bootcamp and Windows 7 and 8 on the new Mac Pro (Dec 2013)

I want to install bootcamp on my new Mac Pro (Dec 2013).
Bootcamp says it supports Windows 7 and 8, but there is a bunch of new hardware with the new Mac Pro, so I am concerned about bootcamp support for it.
Are there any issues with Windows 7 Pro install? How about Windows 8 Pro?

From what I see, only Windows 8 is supported on the new Mac Pro (Late 2013) with Bootcamp.
See Boot Camp: System requirements for Microsoft Windows operating systems
Look under Boot Camp requirements by Mac model
Mac Pro
Mac model
Windows 8, 64-bit
Windows 7, 64-bit
Windows 7, 32-bit
Windows Vista, 64-bit
Windows Vista, 32-bit
Windows XP, 32-bit
Mac Pro (Late 2013)
BCA
"BCA" indicates that Boot Camp drivers are automatically downloaded as part of the Boot Camp Assistant in OS X, for 2013 or later models of Mac computers.

I have an imac bought late 2013, can i use it as a display for the new mac pro? I also want to use windows 8 on it, would this work with parallels or bootcamp?

I have an imac bought late 2013, can i use it as a display for the new mac pro? I also want to use windows 8 on it, would this work with parallels or bootcamp?

Yes, it supports target display mode. Windows can be run with either Parallels or Boot Camp.

Will my LG GBW-H20L work in the new Mac Pro?

I've got an LG GBW-H20L Blu Ray drive in my Vista machine, but am looking to get the new Mac Pro. I was wondering if I could move my LG into the Mac Pro with no problem? I've read some posts that mention an IDE to SATA converter, but this drive is already SATA. The Mac Pro is pricey enough without me having to buy another expensive drive.
Thanks in advance

Erik Rosenbluh wrote:
I've got an LG GBW-H20L Blu Ray drive in my Vista machine, but am looking to get the new Mac Pro. I was wondering if I could move my LG into the Mac Pro with no problem? I've read some posts that mention an IDE to SATA converter, but this drive is already SATA. The Mac Pro is pricey enough without me having to buy another expensive drive.
Thanks in advance
I have one in my first gen Mac Pro. Lower tray, connected directly to one of the motherboard ODD SATA ports. Power is via a standard converter, old type to sata type. I only use it for burning data, never tried movies. Works fine.
Here is another thread about it.

Will my two year old 27 inch cinema display work on the new Mac Pro?

Im interested in purchasing a new Mac Pro later this month when unvieled. My question is....will my currentl "Apple LED Cinema Display" work with the new Mac Pro with Turbo Boost ports? My display is Model # A 1316.

Yes, you can.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3382?viewlocale=en_US

Will my LED 27 Cinema Display work with the new Mac Pro?

Will my LED 27 Cinema Display work with the new Mac Pro?

Mini DisplayPort (like 27" LED Cinema Display) is a direct subset of ThunderBolt (like Mac pro late 2013). It plugs right in and the display portion "just works", no adapters required.

Can video cards for the new Mac Pro be installed in the field?

Current Configuration of the new Mac Pro is as follows:
ACES MacPro Workstation Seat
Processor
6-Core/3.5GHz/Xeon E5
Memory
32 GB
Graphics
2X AMD FirePro D500
Hard Disk
1 TB
Display
24" LED / HP
Media Player
2GB FIPS USB Drive
Mouse
Apple Magic Mouse
Keyboard
USB
Ports
4-USB 3.0;
6-Thunderbolt
1- HDMI
Netwk Interface
Ethernet/802.11n
Card Reader
NIST SP 800 Compliant
My question is can the Graphic Display cards be removed and replaced in the field by an experience Mac Technician?
Any special tools required?

Now here is the back, showing the heatsink paste still in place, and the thermal pads used to cool the RAM chips to the central cooler:
note that the two cards are not interchangeable -- they have their power lugs on opposite sides. One card has chips to support actual display output to the thunderbolt Busses, the other card has none, but has the custom micro-PCIE slot for the PCIe SSD "stick".
One reason for this design is that to make a leap forward, you would have to water-cool the slots for a traditional form-factor PCIe slot Mac pro. Then do it again to include a second GPU. In my opinion, this model Mac Pro is about conquering the cooling problem of this much CPU and GPU compute-power in one box.
NVIDIA graphics card replacements? maybe eventually, but not at this writing.

HT1209 I have a music collection on my iPod (160GB Classic). I have that collection on my old Mac Book. Now I have a new Mac Pro and want to transfer the collection to the new Mac Pro, is that doable?

I have a music collection on my iPod (160GB Classic). I have that collection on my old Mac Book. Now I have a new Mac Pro and want to transfer the collection to the new Mac Pro, is that doable?

Thanks roaminggnome. Can I do that transfer wirelessly or do I have to get a large jump drive to copy and transfer. I presume that I cannot use my iPod right?

Does the new mac pro read or burn DVDs?

does the new mac pro read or burn DVDs?

Found the company, including a picture:
http://numac.co/

No Firewire 400 on the new Mac Pro's

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