No more WDS networking in the new dual band airport extreme?

we had a network of 3 airport extremes in our small 2 story design studio, we bought a new dual band to see if it would help with our DSL problem [it did], but there is no more WDS networking option available. this unit replaced our MAIN WDS unit. so now we are left with 'extending the network' option. it seems to be working, but what is the reason behind no more WDS?

WDS gives you more control over your network. You can set-up certain base stations as relays and others as remotes. Using the "Extend a network" option just tells the base stations to try and find other base stations. It is much easier for a novice to set-up, and I think this is probably why Apple has highlighted this feature as opposed to WDS (where you have to specify MAC addresses for all base stations and remotes).
WDS is nice if you have a mixed network with older b/g base stations since they don't have the option to "Extend a network" or "Allow this network to be extended".

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    Message was edited by: ChuckLD

    Welcome to the discussion area!
    The signal strength on the 5GHz channel only dislplays two bars on the signal strength indicator icon, but the other network is full bars.
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