No Multiclip Playback option in RT Playback

Sorry to ask yet another multiclip question, but this is quick. I made a multiclip sequence, then dropped the clip into the sequence. When paused, the viewer shows all 4 videos and the canvas shows the one angle selected. But when I play the viewer, it no longer shows the four angles and instead only shows teh highlighted one full screen. I have open sync selected, BUT here's the catch, under the RT dropdown menu, I only have "Play Base Layer Only," "Use Playback Setting," and "Full Quality." I don't have a Multiclip Playback option. Now this isn't a standard multiclip sequence as I used Studio X's suggestion to make a sequence to match the clip settings. Do I need to have a standard, NTSC, HDV, DVCPRO, ect. sequence in order to view a multiclip live? I tried doing a multiclip with 4 DVCPRO HD files, but I didn't do the research ahead of time and my firewire 800 drive cannot supply nearly enough bandwidth to view all four at once.
I hope this is clear enough and thanks,
-Brian

To Studio X- well there was one render file for the project, so I deleted that, but no luck. I also tried making another multicam sequence, and again while the sequence comes out the format of the clips, it still doesn't give a Multiclip Playback option, and I haven't, nor does it want me, to do a render on that sequence.
To loyed256- I'm working off of a G-drive mini via Firewire 800 and that stutters several seconds into the DVCPRO multiclip. What I've done now is gone back to the original 640x360 files, pulled them into FCP, gotten the "these are not optimized for final cut" window, clicked OK, then made those .movs. into a 640x360 multiclip sequence. I just though about this, is it cause they're not optimized for final cut? Now I'm guessing that's the problem, so I'm gonna try to reimport them as diff formats final cut may like.
Thanks so far,
-Brian

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I just shot a theater play with 3 cameras, managed to do a multicam edit thanks to the great walkthroughs there is on internet. So I now finished a rough cut, and I want to review the whole thing from the beginning.
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I have 3 angles, all DVCPRO HD. When I multiclip and place in timeline, keep getting dropped frames on playback.
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Is there a way I can do an offline edit using multiclips then online the footage once my cuts are complete? How?
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Oh duh - 17" Intel iMac (1st gen of Intels) 1.83Ghz, 2GB RAM, 1TB GRAID2, FCP 6.0.2

FANTASTIC.
Great, quick article.
Let's give it a try...
AAHHHH! It works! Ha!
Ok (and I know you read a thousand threads every day), as noted in another post of mine, I have the nightmare of transcoding other footage taken from different cameras (at different resolutions and different compression [both hdv, one is 720p ftg, other is 1080i])
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When I recompress for offline, I get the warning dialog about framerate of preset to be used mismatching footage I've selected. The new project/sequence will be set to OfflineRT HD (Photo JPEG) 29.97 The media I'm about to recompress, again, is 59.94 The offline clips retain the 59.94 framerate.
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So what's my point? Oh, uhh, yeah. So the other two "footages"...Before I begin the edit, what should they be transcoded to? My guess:
-Transcode HDV footage to DVCPRO HD 720p60 in Compressor
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-Put the entire "online" media into master project
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-Edit offline in 59.94 timeline
-Did I mention the purpose of transcoding to match DVCPRO HD is so I can multiclip?
-Complete edit in offline project
-Online it.
A few notes...
-I don't have HDV to test w...oops, wait, I do. And, how convenient, it's 1080i! Nonetheless, I just did the Compress routine with some SD footage, looked like hairy sh...you know. But hey, that's what you'd expect. Mainly, you can see atrocious field separation especially on motion. Either way...
Just converted the 1080i ftg to DVCPRO HD and from master to transcode, they look very similar. There is a SLIGHT blur on the transcoded ftg but it will suffice (it'll have to)
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-Does this mean I am doing it right?? Should the online be 59.94?
OK, I think I've babbled enough. Very close!!! Much closer than before, very helpful, thank you!

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Greetings.
Where is your source media located? Internal Drive? External Drive?
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When I put them in my multiclip viewer, there are no RT settings in my sequence
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Sorry if this has been addressed in previous topics.
I am editing a multiclip in the Timeline. The big problem I can't seem to resolve is that my Viewer will not show 4-up when I play and edit the Timeline. The Canvas and Viewer each display the identical clip. When I pause or stop, the Viewer will then show the 4 up. I have changed the playhead sync to "Open" and also enabled Multiclip Playback in the Timeline RT pop-up as indicated in the tutorials, but this does not solve the problem.
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I too have had this very frustrating problem, and have repeatedly made sure that sync was open, played around with different playback options - in other words taken all the logical steps, read through the manual many times, etc. The especially frustrating part is that this is in sequences that previously worked - i.e., the sequence was playing correctly with "3 up", or 3 cameras showing in the viewer - and then for no apparent reason, only one camera (the active one) would show.
The only thing that worked for me, after much experimentation with starting new projects, new sequences, and even reloading the Final Cut software, was to change my user settings on the G5, and log in as a new user. What I ended up doing was logging out under my administrator account and creating a new account, then opening my Final Cut project in my new account on the G5 - and it seems to have worked. Possibly something got corrupt in my user settings; I don't know.
It's a terribly inelegant solution, and I would welcome some other thoughts for a better option. In the meantime, if this helps anyone as a "work-around" if you're banging your head against the wall as I was on this problem, then great.
As an Avid editor for many years, when the system started doing something quirky like this I would have trashed my Avid user settings and logged into Media Composer as a different user. Since Final Cut doesn't ask for a User name when you open the software, as Avid does, it seems like changing your user settings at the G5 is sort of the next best thing. Ideally there should be a way to correct User corruptions from within the Final Cut environment. If such a method exists, I am not aware of it.
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