No Power Quicksilver Dual 800MHz...

My QS started acting strange last week - when I had to reboot I got a folder with a question mark icon. I rebooted several times and got the same thing. Then I unplugged the Mac and looked inside, cleaned up some dust, etc. Plugged it in and nothing - no light, no noise, nothing happens. Ah ha I thought, the battery on the motherboard is dead - the mac is something like 5 years old. So I picked up a new battery tonight, put it in the mac, zapped the PRAM and still nothing happens, not a sound or a light. Any suggestions on what is going on?
cheers,
Michael

You're right about the link you provided, Dave - the procedure is the same, the only difference is that the trickle voltage measured on a QS at pin 22 should be 25 volts, instead of the 28 volts shown for the Gigabit Ethernet Mac.
Regards,
Gary
ps to Michael: The procedure might look intimidating, but it's really quite easy! Here's a link to a color-coded pinout diagram, which helps to confirm the pins by the wire colors...

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Hello everyone!
I just had a PowerMac G4 QuickSilver 2001 (the original model) with a 733MHz single CPU from a good friend.
I want to upgrade the CPU and I already know that the CPU from the Dual 800MHz Quicksilver will fit and work in my computer, but my question is about the heatsink.
The Dual 800MHz CPU I saw on eBay doesn't come with an heatsink, so: can I use my heatsink from the single 733MHz with the Dual 800MHz or will it overheat? I could put a second 60mm fan attached to the heatsink to improve the airflow, will it be enough cooling?
Thanks!

As BD says, the 344W should be sufficient. It was standard on the 2001 Quicksilver with the dual 800MHz CPU.
I would worry more about the heat created. When I fit a dual processor to a Quicksilver, I fit an Evercool EC6025H12CA fan in place of the standard CPU fan. Cools things down nicely. It's a three wire fan, so you fold the third (blue, I think) wire out of the way. As I recall, you pull the blue wire out of the little white plug (folding it back out of the way) and move the black wire from its initial position to the space left when you pulled the blue wire. This lets you slide the little three wire plug onto the two posts of the motherboard where the original low speed fan went. The new fan will run at full speed (like the original) instead of being a variable speed job, but I haven't had one fail yet. Stare at it for a few minutes to get it all properly arranged in your mind, and it should go smoothly.
If you can't find a proper heatsink, you can try looking for a dual 1GHz CPU (and heatsink) from the 2002 Quicksilver. Interchanges easily.
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if there is a link that will explain how to back the 10.3.9 up
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Hello! Look in apps>utilities>console and see if it's throwing a crash log that might narrow down the problem. It could be a weak power supply that's failing when it gets warmed up or a fan that has quit. Tom

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Hello
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Also it will boot up okay if the main door is fully open or almost shut with about 1cm remaining open. I have done the following:
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3. Re installed OSX software etc.
4. Ran TechTool Pro v4.1.1 diagnostics
5. Ran Disk Utility, repaired permissions etc.
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7. Checked Graphics card connections.
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Hi Radcock, and a Warm Welcome to Apple Discussions and the Power Mac G5 Forum!
Hopefully your data is backed-up.
You could try:
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Reset the PMU/SMU (bottom of the page)
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300341
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=88215
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=DiskUtility/10.5/en/duh1018.html
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301269
and use only the most recent Disk Utility you have to repair your boot drive.
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HELP!!!
I have this Power Mac Dual 1.8 Ghz with 10.4.11 OS. I used to use wire cable to connect the internet, but now the place I rent recently only provides wireless network. I was able to connect wireless network with my Windows Laptop.
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You can go the OWM route and get the airport extreme card and antenna
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Leopard Server on Dual 800MHz G4?

Sorry if this is a repost, I tried searching around for a while and couldn't find an answer to this...
I'm looking to install OS X Server on an old dual 800MHz G4 tower. I was just wondering if the install would allow it, because the clock speeds are below the minimum requirement, even though it's got 2 of them.
Thanks in advance,
J

No, Leopard's CPU speed restriction applies to a single processor. Your computer does not meet the requirement. You could look for a CPU upgrade for your model (check sonnettech.com) but you should know that Apple does not support CPU upgrades. Now that doesn't mean Leopard won't run on an upgraded machine, it means that if you have any problems with Leopard on an upgraded machine, Apple provides no support and does not guarantee that Leopard will work on an upgraded machine. However, the vendors selling the upgrades can confirm compatibility (at least with Leopard Client. I don't know if they test the Server version.)
You will need to weigh the differences between the cost of upgrading the computer versus buying a new or newer model with a faster processor.

Trying to find a new Graphics card for G4 Quicksilver Dual 1 ghtz

Hello All,
I am looking to upgrade my video card for gaming purposes. I have been doing research and thought I had found a card I could use. Then I researched more, and confused myself. There comes a point when one must ask
So I have the Geforce 4 MX right now and want to upgrade. At first I read that the ATI 3850 AGP would be a nice card to use, though I don't think it will work in my machine. I then came across the ATI 2600 XT. I also see that the 9800 pro is good. Then I hear about flashing....help?
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I am looking at spending no more than $200 on a card, is that a good amount for a card? It seems like it it isn't the top, but will do pretty good at buying a decent card.
I really appreciate these forums, and have read quite a bit here. But once I start researching I soon find myself reading about other interesting things (since there is so much great information here) and 2 hours later I remember why I came here in the first place.
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Specs:
G4 Quicksilver Dual 1ghtz
1.5 GB ram
AGP
Apple Cinema Display
(let me know if you need more information)

Ok, no answers huh?
Well, I purchased a ATI 9800 Pro Mac Edition.
*_A warning_*, if you have an Apple Cinema Display check the connection type. If it is an older display, you probably have a ADC connection. The newer models have a DVI connection. Make sure the video card has that type of connection on it or you will have to buy a ADC to DVI converter from Apple. This costs $99.00.
When purchasing a video card keep this in mind and add this to the price you will be paying to use the video card.
Thanks for the wonderful help.
Etin the almost PC user!

Enable L3 cache on Dual 800mhz G4 processor

can anyone help?
i cannot enable the L3 cache on this processor.
im am not sure if it is even working or present
CPUD shows no option to enable it
it does not show in the system profile
Reggie SE show me an error (1018) when i try to enable the L3 cache.
i have tried to use the .kext written by Till Wimmer but i get an error on reboot saying the .kext file was not properly installed.
i am not so sure about using terminal
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hi thanks for the replies,
As far as i am aware the specs show that the Dual 800mhz processor does have an L3 cache, and yes it is from a QS, modded into my DA.
the L3enabler is mounted when i am installing the .kext file.
i am a little unsure with Terminal, i am not sure that i am inputting the commands correctly, i am basically cut+paste the instructions with L3enabler
please correct me if i am doing the totally wrong thing!
step by step instructions would be great, spoon feeding if you like, whilst i cn get my head around the installation of hardware, my knowledge of programming code is VERY limited
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Quicksilver dual GHz upgrades for ProTools??

I have a Quicksilver dual GHz G4 that served me well under OS9 and Digidesign ProTools LE prior to version 7. ProTools is a recording application, and I use Digidesign's 002 "control surface" for recording, mixing and editing with PTLE.
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BUMP
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Leopard Install on Quicksilver Dual 867 G4

I have just completed installing Leopard on my Quicksilver Dual 867 G4 and if an one else wants to try look out for the following:
[1] If you have a isub this causes chaos and needs to be
unplugged unfortunately (Check other posts for details)
Hopefully this may be cured in an update as even though the
the apple pro speakers are good I miss the isub
[2] Spotlight takes ages to index the drive and you are better off leaving the
machine alone while it indexes the drive due to the high CPU useage
(I had the activity monitor running to keep an eye on things during the
indexing)
[3] Time Machine worked fine on an internal 200Gb drive although again its best
to leave it over night
[4] My Iomega Rev 35 usb drive is read only. Hopefully Iomega will release an
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I can't say for certain, but I've lurked around these forums for awhile, and I can say it seems you will be very unhappy with Logic 8. Why chance it? If 7 is working for you, stick with it, and use the $500 you would have spent on Logic Studio towards a newer computer that will let Logic be happy on it.
Merry Christmas!

Quicksilver Dual 1GHz won't power up with the monitor connected.

My Quicksilver with 17" LCD Studio display won't start up. The power button blinks on, the fans make a turn or two and the red LED on the motherboard blinks once. If I hold the power button down it blinks once but the fans and red LED repeat once a second. After this began I started it up in FireWire target mode with the monitor disconnected and it worked fine for a few hours. Then it seemed to start up ok without the monitor attached but would immediately shut off when I connected the monitor. Now just the behavior I described at the beginning. I've reset the SMU (PMU??), zapped the PRAM. left it unplugged and taken out the battery. Nothing changes. This has all been in the past 24 hours after I shipped the CPU and monitor back to my home. What's next??
Frank

Thanks. I tried an old VGA monitor and The CPU started up without a problem. Then I examined the pins on the Studio Display. That was the problem. Since I pugged it in several times, both the male and female plugs were screwed up. I carefully moved the pins on the plug and the receptacle back into place and everything is great now. I’m sure it wont last through to many repluggings, though.
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G4 Quicksilver Dual 1Gig chimes and boots normally, sometimes nothing??

Some what of a quirky problem and I don't know what else to check. I'm suspecting the processor, but once booted the system works great, so maybe it's not the processor. Here what happens.
If I try to start the computer from a cold system that's been shutdown for a while, I will never even get a chime or a system boot. Understand, the power supply appears to be working normally, as the fans spin and the drives fireup. However, either the motherboard or processor won't post. Now, if I sit there and work with it, repeatedly forcing a restart by holding down the start button, allow it to shut down, then doing a restart, eventually it does chime and then starts normally. However, I may have to repeat this 5 or 6 times (or more) before I get a chime and a boot up. Again, once it's booted everything works normally. I'm tending towards the processor being the problem, as I've exchanged the processor with a 933MHz, and it boots every time. I've also removed the processor and re-installed it (this is the Dual 1 GIG processor) into a different Quicksilver. The results are exactly the same. Sometimes it will boot normally and sometimes nothing.
As I said, once I get the computer started, everything works great. Oh, and if I leave the computer running, no problems with operating at all. It's just the start up where this issue arises. Both of the motherboards I tested the processor on are the 1342-B models, and known to be operational.
More info: The hard drive being used is an older model 20 GB, Western Digital - IDE drive, but it passes all the disk utility checks once it formated. Also, I have 1.25 GB of SDRAM installed and it all checks out as good.
Any suggestions of what else could be causing this? Are there any firmware updates for these model (2002) Quicksilvers that I need to install? Any help or ideas of what to check would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Rudy

Thanks for the replies. Here are some answers to the advice you have offered.
Grant - Thanks for your help. I will try to burn the disk image of the AHT program, and see what it shows. However, I doubt if it will show any abnormalities, though, as the diagnostics section, under the "About This Mac" > "More Info" section shows that it passes the diagnostics once it boots.
Lou - Thanks for your reply also! I suppose it's possible there could be a stress crack somewhere on the PCB for the processor. However, I would tend to rule out the motherboard having one that could cause this, as it (the Processor/Boot issue) does exactly the same on two separate motherboards. That tends to tell me it's probably some sort of a processor issue (though it works just fine once booted). It's got me stumped.
Limmos - Thanks to you also! The batteries on both motherboards are relatively new (only a couple of months old). Also, I'm familiar with re-setting the PRAM, and the PMU reset button. There s an issue that I'll bring up here regarding the PMU button. If I try to start the computer and it fails to boot as my question states, then I can try 10 times or more and the results are the same. Meaning it doesn't boot. However, if I shut down, open the case and press the PMU button (5 secs or more), then within a couple of times doing that I can get a good boot. So clearing the PMU cache does seem to help.
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so i replaced the motherboard on my dual 867MHz G4.
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G4 MDD Processor and bus speeds
There are two classes of Processors for the Mirrored Drive Doors G4 Macs, and they do not follow the main distinction between the products -- Firewire 400 Vs. Firewire 800.
In the Mirrored Drive Doors models, processor speed is determined by a combination of the jumpers on the processor modules and the Bus Speed of the system into which the processor is installed.
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• Install a processor intended for a slower bus speed into a system with a faster Bus speed, and it will be clocked faster -- in most cases so fast that it will immediately crash.
133 MHz Bus speed:
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167 MHz Bus speed:
1.0 GHz dual w 1 MB cache (each processor) from Fw 400 model
1.25 GHz dual w 2 MB cache (each processor) from Fw 400 model
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