No Signal Loss When Plugged In

Like many, I have suffered from the dropped bars while holding my phone the way most people do. I tried something last night and for some reason when I pick up my phone with my left hand when it's plugged into the power outlet not one bar drops. Maybe an issue related to antenna power or a combination of things. Try it and see if it works on yours.

HP will tell you to try re-installing the drivers or downgrade the BIOS, but nothin will help. HP has no answer for this issue, im finding an answer fow last 30days on the internet for my DV-6 6199ee laptop which came with Beats Audio, same here when i plugged in the headphone which i got with my laptop iBeats Headphones, there is no audio at all im a proffessional in the IT field and i cannot find a soloution my self, i feel sorry for people who does not even know anything about computers at all.
Cheers!

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    *http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/cellular/cell-test.htm*
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    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1630
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    <Edited By Host>

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  • Bumper is only an insulator preventing signal loss not a reception fixer

    Many get confused and start complaining about their reception when the bumper is mentioned, and that it doesn't help them.
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    The bumper will NOT fix your reception problems if you have them. That's why some of those who go out and buy bumpers may not see improvement. Their signal will not change, but their reception will be the same.
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    Funny because she has noted on MANY other posts that she got a bumper and never touches the area where there is a problem, agreeing that there is an issue here, and then turns around and says "i don't need a bumper to use my phone."
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    2. Are not having the issue but still sympathise that there is obviously a problem with reception due to touching bare skin to the antenna for some people out there which is rectified by getting a insulating piece of plastic.
    Which is what's funny, the OP started one thread, completely lost control of it because the OP is not willing to listen to any reason or sense towards those experiencing the problem so started a new topic hoping to be in control again.
    The problem is, the bumper does HELP reception, by stopping your conductive hand touching the metal antenna. The signal goes down when touching the metal antennas over the black divider, this is almost certainly because you are bridging the two antennas, as it can be caused by just a paperclip across the two, or the tip of your finger.
    Again, the bumper stops this shorting as it is plastic.
    AKA the bumper does prevent signal loss, which allows for BETTER reception.
    When you touch this point, signal goes down, and call quality drops (aka the reception is lowerd.) In case your still wondering, becuase we all know she will be, lets consult OXFORD.
    Pronunciation:/rɪˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/
    noun
    1 [mass noun] the action or process of receiving something sent, given , or inflicted:
    sensation is not the passive reception of stimuli
    2 the process of receiving broadcast signals:
    a microchip that will allow parents to block reception of violent programmes
    Touching the left part of the iphone causes data to stop being transmitted when in medium to low signal. agree or disagree? That is a loss of reception, please check your definitions.
    You with us yet Z?
    i feel its my duty to educate you on the wonderful language of English (forget spelling, lets just look at definitions for now shall well
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/men_gb0691620#m_engb0691620

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