No thumbnails of tiff and jpegs

Hi, I bought a used mbp erased everything and installed Maverics. Since then half of my photos have no thumbnails. Tif, jpeg, psd. I've tried a few things (opend in save mode, deleted a .list file aso) but nothing worked so far. As soon as I open a photo in photoshop and change something and save I get a thumbnail, but I dont like to do this several thousand times.
Any suggestion?

This problem has been around for years. Funny thing is that with the CS5 upgrade some .avi files show thumbnails and others don't. Like most video format there is no standardization. THe AVI is just a wrapper for the video and what is in it can vary.
It is all about CODECS. Some users were downloading codecs to fix the Bridge problem, and that caused problems with Premier. So one of the Premier engineers got involved to solve the problem by getting Bridge to show thumbnails for .avi video. That was about a year ago and have seen nothing yet on any development.
If I want a thumbnail I have resorted to a workaround that is perhaps a little time intensive. I do a frame capture and save a jpeg. Then I stack this with the .avi and have the jpeg on top. You can get a thumb, but not perfect solution.

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Yeah you shouldn't use ~ in general. That is a shortcut for "Your home directory."
This is not strictly true. ~ is a "meta-character" in Unix shells -- it is an instruction to the shell to substitute the path to a home directory. It only has meaning in a Unix shell command, and only if ~ is the first character in a file path name. Outside of a Unix shell ~ has no special significance (although other programs might adopt a similar convention).
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Trouble importing tiffs and jpegs

I was importing an image into lightroom in 3 different formats: psd, tiff, and jpeg. I got an error message with the tiff and jpeg stating that the image was already in lightroom. The images all had the same name but were different formats. Does lightroom not recognize that the formats are different and therefore different images, or can it only import 1 format of an image? thanks

LR See's the Others as side cars to the one imported. You can put each type into another folder/directory and they will import. The you can put them all in the same folder from with LR.
This behavior is likely to change, because some many have complained about it. It was not supposed to happen between these three file types, but was impimented for RAW +JPEG pairs, as the JPEG was cnsidered a 'preview' sidecar and JPEGs based on prcessing the RAW could be easily exported at anytime. After much bru-ah-ah, this appears that it will change.
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Working with tiff and jpeg?

1. ACR saves changes made to a raw image into the sidecar file, though what is it doing with the tiff or jpeg file that is changed? Where is this saved?
2.what features do you not have if you open tiff or jpeg in ACR? It seems to do everything the same.
Thanks.

The settings are saved as xmp metadata inside the jpeg/tiff. Note that while the settings are saved (and show up in Bridge), the settings are not actually applied until you actually process the images. So other 3rd party viewers won't see the changes. The embedded metadata is done safely and will not impact the file. The xmp metadata is also stored inside of DNG files as well. Only proprietary raw files force the use of sidecar files because ACR/Adobe treats them as read only files (it's not "safe" to write metadata in proprietary raw files since the formats are not documented).
As to limitations, since jpeg/tiff files are already rendered into a color space and gamma, those files are not "linear" and you will be limited in the amount of highlight recovery that can be done. Additionally, since the rendered files already have a white point the white balance is somewhat limited as well. Also, there are limitations to the Lens Corrections because ACR can't apply lens correction built for raw files in jpeg/tiff files. You can still use the manual corrections...

The availability of color space in RAW, TIFF and JPEG files

This is useful if your new to DSLR photography.
This is Nikon response on my question in the discussion: View photo metadata
I'm assuming that you know that Adobe RGB shows about 50% and sRGB 35% of CIELAB color space.
In a DSLR camera like the Nikon D800 you can select a color space (Adobe RGB or sRGB) in the shooting menu.
In Adobe Lightroom 4.3 the RAW metadata shows no color space info. Therefore I asked why not?
In the (Dutch) Nikon D800 manual on page 84 (about RAW) and 274 (about color space) and Nikon FAQ website there is no descripton about the color space availability/behavior in RAW, JPEG and TIFF files.
In the book "Mastering the Nikon D800 by Darrel Young" on page 125 - 126 is written: "If you shoot in RAW format a lot, you may want to consider using Adobe RGB....."
All experts on this forum answered: color space does not apply/affect the RAW data file or RAW files have no color space.
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are always physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available. So the forum experts gave the correct answer!
Of course you can convert afterwards a JPEG or TIFF file with sRGB color space to Adobe RGB but you don't get more colors.
When you install the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack or FastPictureViewer Codec Pack they only show color space metadata for JPEG and TIFF files and nothing for RAW because color space "doesn't exist". I thought the codec packs removed the color space metadata for my RAW files.
Adobe Lightroom also can not show color space for RAW files because that "doesn't exist".

Van-Paul wrote:
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available.
I still think this is an evasive answer that doesn't really pinpoint the exact chain of events that take place. They are:
1. The raw file contains the naked data captured by the sensor. This is just a very dark grayscale image.
2. In the raw converter it is encoded into a working color space to process the information. In Lightroom this is known as "Melissa RGB", or linear gamma Prophoto. It is also demosaiced to bring back the color information.
3. From Lightroom it can be exported to one of the familiar color spaces like sRGB or Adobe RGB. This is, in principle at least, a normal profile conversion.
These three steps are what the camera does to produce a jpeg. So the basic steps are the same, the camera is just doing it automatically (and usually butchering the image in the process...).
This Darrell Young is, I'm sure, an excellent photographer, but in this he is seriously confused and just propagating a common myth. Anyway, thanks for bringing up this discussion, hope you didn't object too much to the tone of the answers... Our only concern here was to get this right and with no room for misunderstanding.

My old TIFFs and JPEGs have end of file errors when Photoshop crashes

I'm using CS3 on a mac duo intel, 10.5.8 OS
My photoshop is frequently crashing, and I am unable to force quit in the finder. Even worse, TIFs and JPGs that aren't even open at the time of the crash are getting corrupted. As for as I can tell, any TIF or JPG that was saved at any time during the session that ended with the crash gets corrupted. Even the versions in Time Machine get corrupted. For instance, Let's say I launched photoshop at 9 am on Monday morning. at 12 pm on Monday, I save and close files X, Y, and Z. At 6 pm on Monday, photoshop crashes. X, Y, and Z are now corrupted. If I check time machine, say for the versions on my drive at 12:30 pm, Monday, they will be corrupted, even though the files were closed half an hour earlier, and the crash didn't happen until 6 pm.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. As you might imagine, I'm ready to pull my hair out.
thanks,
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for responding. That's a little frightening. The only back-up
utility I use is SuperDuper. Could this be causing it?
Thanks,
Nick
>The only time Photoshop could corrupt a file is when saving the file.
>
>It sounds like you may have a bad hard disk, or some other utility
>on your system is causing the corruption (sometimes happens with
>backup utilities and antivirus software).
>

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I currently backup my iphoto library via time machine and keep a second copy of another USB HD. However the backup is the iphoto library, how do I back up the raw and jpeg images so that they are not within the library so that I could access them from a non apple pc?
I just would like the added security.
Thanks
Peter

You'll need to export them from the Library.
Select an Event or Album in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export
In the resulting dialogue you have a number of options:
From the dropdown you can select the Kind to export:
Originals will get you exactly that: the original files. These will be the contents of the Event as per the iPhoto Window.
Current will get you the most recent versions of the files: a mix of edited and unedited pics. Again, the contents as per the iPhoto Window.
Tiff and Jpeg options allow you to export the current versions in those formats and you can the metadata - tiles, keywords, descriptions and locations - to the files on export.
PnG does not have the option to write the metadata as that format has very limited support for it.
There are other options for file size and naming and so on.
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TD

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Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files ignored when unchecked

In the Catalog Settings under the Metadata tab, I have unchecked the option 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files'.
I then selected a JPEG photograph in the Library module and chose Metadata/Save Metatdata to File. I wanted to save the metadata that I had added (keywords, IPTC, rating, etc), but not the develop settings.
I then imported the jpeg back into another catalog. The metadata I had added was there as expected, but so are the develop settings. This I did not expect or want.
Have I got something wrong here? My understanding is that turning off the 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files' option means that develop settings are not written to the xmp area in non raw files such as jpegs.
Looks like a bug to me.
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Hello all,
I have investigated this problem further and now have the answer. It is not that the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" is ignored, but it appears that the LR catalog is not properly updated when this option is turned off.
Here are steps to test and illustrate the problem:
1. Create a new folder and place a copy of an original jpeg image (original from camera) in the new folder. Make sure you keep the original safe and only work on copies.
2. Create a new catalog in Lightroom 2.3.
3. Import the jpeg image from the new folder.
4. Add some metadata (keywords, ratings, title, caption, IPTC data, etc).
5. Make some Develop adjustments to the image.
6. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and check (enable) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files". Uncheck (disable) the "Automatically write changes into XMP" option.
7. Select "Save Metadata to File".
8. Delete the jpeg image from the Library module, then re-import it.
9. Copy the original image back to the new folder, replacing the updated jpeg (once again, the jpeg image now contains no metadata from Lightroom). At this stage, Lightroom fails to recognize that the metadata in the LR catalog doesn’t match the metadata content in the jpeg file. I would have though that it should.
10. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and uncheck (turn off) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files".
11. Reset the Develop settings.
12. You now need to make a change to the metadata like increase or decrease the rating (otherwise LR won’t save any metadata to the jpeg file - LR is being too smart and thinks it’s already up to date, so does nothing when you do the next step).
12. Select "Save Metadata to File".
13. Delete the jpeg image from the Library module again, then re-import it again.
14. Look at the develop settings (that you specifically did not want saved within the jpeg file in step 10).
Although the Develop settings were Reset in step 11, you have ended up with the original Develop settings from step 5. It is true that LR has not saved the reset develop settings, but it also hasn’t removed the old develop settings that are still stored in the catalog. This must be considered a bug (oversight). Note that it has also saved an Import snapshot as well.
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Hope that this might be of some help to others one day.
Tony

RAW and JPEG as one thumbnail ?

Hi there,
is it possible to view RAW+JPEG as one thumbnail in Bridge like in Lightroom? I shoot RAW and JPEG and so i see the same picture 2 times. One RAW Version and one JPEG.
I want to see them both as one thumbnail. They should be grouped together. So if i delete it the RAW and the JPEG version gets deleted.
please help!
regards,
Mari

You still don't understand what i mean and you seem to have no idea what i'm talking about. But it's okay..
Maybe you should read a little more about how LR works before you write about things you clearly don't know anything about.
i explain it to you one last time: I have RAW and JPEG Files. I'm looking only at the RAW Files when i sort out my photos and i don't want to delete the JPEGs manually. So i want Bridge to stack JPG+RAW together so they both get deleted when i delete the image. it's not that hard to understand actually
For those who understood what my problem was:
I found a script for LR that does exactly what i was looking for in Bridge: -> RAW + JPG Stack
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Aperture to export photos either TIFF or JPEG files, highlight and shadow transition has obvious faults, this problem solved!?

Aperture to export photos either TIFF or JPEG files, highlight and shadow transition has obvious faults, this problem solved!?

What problem?
You will have to be _a lot_ more specific if you'd like responsible feedback.
I export thousands of TIFF and JPG files a week with no obvious faults.
(Sent from my magic glass.)

What does "Include develop settings metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" do?

I am wondering what the option "Include develop settings metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" found in catalog settings/metadata does? what happens if you uncheck it?

Bob12312321 wrote:
also when this is unchecked will lightroom still save keyword changes to raw(nef) files? thank you!
Metadata ("real" metadata like keyowords nor develop adjustments) are never saved into non-DNG Raw files (like .nef, .cr2) directly. With these files, there is always a so called sidecar file (with the extension .xmp) created to hold the XMP information.
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