Node application G4 dual 450/macmini/LaCie

is it possible to chain together a Dual 450 G4 a mac mini intel dual and a LaCie HD and run the Node application to spread the processor weight?
thanks

Pat,
When connected, does it show up in Disk Utility? If so, it's failure to mount is probably due to restrictive permissions and differing ownership. In other words, you probably have permissions for the volume set such that only the "owner" can access it, and said ownership differs on your G4 tower.
In fact, the drive is probably mounting, but the mounted volume is inaccessible to you (on the tower).
If you find that the drive is, in fact, showing up in Disk Utility, and you wish to access it from the tower, let us know. There are steps you can take to correct the problem.
Scott

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Mac Mini Core Duo 1.83 vs. Dual 450 G4

So I know somebody selling a Mac Mini Core Duo 1.83 for $200. My current machine is a Dual 450 G4. Would the Mini be a faster machine? I know it seems like a stupid question, but the Mini has been maligned because of its Integrated Graphics (my g4 450 dualie has a Radeon 8500 with 64 megs dedicated). I mostly use my machine for Photoshop, Indesign, music production and light video work.
I'd have to bump up the Mini's ram (it's only got 512 mb); my g4 has 1.75gigs of ram. Other than hat, would the Mini seem like a faster machine?
Opinions?

VRAM≠more performance.
I didn't say it did.
Integrated graphics steal from the main system memory and resources, so they shouldn't be considered when doing amateur or professional editing software.
It's true that on-board graphics use main RAM, thus removing 64Mb of memory from availability to the system, but out of a total of 2Gb, or potentially 3.3Gb on a C2D model, that is hardly a factor. It must also be said that while dedicated VRAM is a better bet for absolute performance, sharing high speed main RAM is also rather better than much slower VRAM on dedicated video cards such as the 8500 mentioned previously.
As to whether the presence of shared RAM rather than dedicated RAM should exclude a system from consideration when doing 'amateur or professional editing', I'd say that depends on the user, and that user's genuine need. Nothing, in the world of purchasing decisions, should be excluded until it is known to be unsuited for any of the reasons an individual might have. Given there would appear to be many people using Mac minis for tasks including video and image editing (including myself), it would seem clear that at some level these systems are perfectly suited to the task.
His Dual G4 has 1.7GB of RAM, a lot more than what the mini has—512MB.
Current Mac minis don't come with 512Mb RAM, and can be expanded to 4Gb (of which 3.3 is usable to the system).
The only category in which the mini wins is in CPU.
Actually not. Just about everything in a Mac mini is faster, not least bus and RAM speed. The only aspect in which there is parity is in the 5400rpm internal drive that both systems come with as standard.
That is not to say the G4 doesn't have advantages, as I have mentioned before it. It is far more expandable, with additional internal drive bays and where it is almost child's play to fit a fast internal, a better burner, more RAM an Airport card (though 802.11b only of course, not 802.11g) and even replace the CPU. The G4 is a true (and venerable) workhorse. Mine is still in service after almost 10 years and remains a favorite 'go to' system. What it is not, however, is fast.
Isn't it kind of obvious that if the person is using the Dual G4 for editing, he has PPC versions that run fast on his machine? That brings up another thing: If he were to use the software on his Dual G4 on a Mac mini, there'd be no benefits because, as you know, it'll run on Rosetta, which means that it'll run a lot slower than an Intel Application because it's being emulated.
Actually, as long as there is sufficient RAM, PPC apps will run as well, or faster, on an Intel system of sufficient speed differential, and your argument pre-supposes that the user is based on dated versions of applications which are not Intel-native, or cannot be readily up/cross-graded. At some point, a serious user has to consider that, even if not planning on a new purchase, since systems fail and need to be replaced, even if not always planned. At least buying into the Intel platform ensures forward compatibility and the ability to plan for future needs. To me, that's a critical part of using any system for anything other than simple pleasure.
Anyway, I have no intention to debate you on this - merely counter the point of view you expressed, which I believe to be somewhat misleading, and which directly counters my practical experience of running these applications on systems based on the same architectures the OP was discussing as options. As such, I remain certain that in every practical respect, excepting hard drive data access speed where the DP 450 has at least the ready ability to use 7200rpm internals, an Intel mini will outperform the G4 system in these broad uses. In my experience, the difference is notable.
Since the OP has your view, and mine, he or she is able to make an informed choice.

20" Cinema Display with G4 dual 450

I just purchased a 20" Cinema Display to use on my G4 dual 450. I'm going to buy the ATI Radeon 7500 graphics card that's recommended, but I'm confused. Is there more than one version of this card? In the specs I don't see the Mac operating system mentioned.
My graphics needs are very simple so I want the least expensive card I can get that will handle the 20" display, and this one seems to be it. Also, is there anything else (adapter?) that I'll need?
Thanks,
Carole
G4 dual 450 desktop Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi Carole,
The display you describe is a DVI display.
From where are you getting the graphics card?
If the ATI Radeon 7500 card you are looking at has no mention of Mac specifications, then it is probably not the Mac edition, more likely a PC edition.
Only Mac edition cards, or PC edition cards that have been "flashed" with a Mac ROM, will work in a Mac. As "flashing" is an after market modification, you are relying on the technical expertise of the "flasher" to give you a functional card.
The true Mac edition ATI Radeon 7500 is an OEM card (so is not generally available "off the shelf"):
http://www.ati.com/products/radeon7500/radeon7500me/specs.html
It has VGA and ADC output. You would have to get an ADC to DVI adaptor to be able to use the DVI display. Here's an example of an adaptor:
http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=0123-ADE2
Given all the things I have just pointed out, it would probably be more appropriate for you to get the ATI Radeon 8500 Mac Edition (if you can find one, they are a bit rare). Howwever, it has DVI output, so you can hook the display straight in.
If you can't find the 8500, the next most available card would be the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition, but it has VGA and ADC output, so you would have to use the adaptor that I mentioned before.
Cheers!
Karl

New internal drive for Dual 450

I am looking to add an additional, or replacement internal HD for my old Dual 450 G4. Can anyone tell me which one to get? I am utilizing the machine as a storage and archive device on a local network.
Currnetly runnin OS X - not concerned with needing OS 9

Hi, J2, and welcome to the Discussions!
Your Mac's native drive bus will only recognize the first 128GB of formatted space on any size drive you install on the ribbon cable connected to the logic board, so look for a 120GB or smaller drive if you don't intend to purchase and install a PCI card to overcome this size limitation.
If you intend to connect the drive directly to the built-in bus as above, look for a 3.5 inch ATA (not SATA or SCSI) drive which runs at 7200 RPM, preferably with an 8MB buffer, versus a 2MB buffer, which is somewhat slower.
An ATA drive might be described as Ultra-ATA 133, IDE, EIDE, ATA 100, PATA, or parallel ATA. For shopping purposes, all of these terms basically refer to the same thing, so don't let them confuse you.
The major brands are Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital, and Hitachi/IBM. Any of these brands should serve you well and you might shop online for the best "deal" by comparing cost/GB. Sales are common and often change from week to week, particularly amongst the mass merchants like Best Buy, Circuit City, Fry 's (outpost.com), Tiger Direct, Newegg, CompUSA, etc., so it pays to shop around online if you want to save some money. The best deals include a rebate or rebates.
Regarding OS 9, even though you don't intend to use it, when you do format the drive, I'd recommend checking the box in Disk Utility to install the OS 9 drivers anyway, which doesn't take up any usable space on the drive and might come in handy in the future, in case you need to update firmware or perform other tasks which OS X can't handle.
Gary

ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

G4 Dual 450 Boot Problem

Ive been reading other issues that others have been having. Ive got a 450 agp that I upgraded to a dual 450. I hadnt used it in a while and when I tried using it again, it would cut on, but no video, startup sound or light on button. Before I read the help column, I ordered another processor and heatsink thinking that was the problem. I installed the new processor and the cpu would start but had some issues. So I took everything off to test the other motherboard and when I re-hook up the new board; Nothing happened. The no light on power, no sound or video issue happens.
Ive looked up and performed the reset cuda, pram process numerous times for nothing to happen. I even bought a new battery, and stripped the motherboard down to nothing; waited 30 minutes and followed the reinstall procedure given and still nothing. Now maybe once is ok, but 2 motherboards and 2 processor is unlikely. Anyone experienced similar and can help???

Hi-
To be clear, what model motherboard are you using?
What CPU are you trying to use?
Have you tested the PSU (power supply) for power?
AGP G4 PSU Test
Gigabit Ethernet PSU Test
Power Mac G4: Computer Does Not Power On, No Fan Movement

Does a G4 w/dual 450's = 900MHz

I have a G4 with dual 450's and 256mb ram.
I am thinking of buying a d2 DVD±RW with LightScribe 16x - FireWire, Double Layer and Toast 7 Titanium for Mac., but it needs 500MHz as a minimum.
Will it work or do i need to find a different drive?

Hi,
Dual processors work faster only at programs that are optimised for them. So, no, you aren't really running at double speed. In addition, you don't have very much RAM and that will hinder your work quite a bit, 1GB of RAM or more for these operations is really needed.
However, your machine should work with this DVD. But don't expect speed. The Lightscribe procedure is very slow, up to an hour for a complex writing (my brother's G5 Quad takes 20-30 minutes on an external FW Lightscribe). Slow CPU's and low RAM might make writing a DVD very SLOW as well. If you are just burning CD's and want a Lightscribe label, a dual 450 will be adequate. Besides, the Lightscribe disks themselves are a bit expensive.
My answer is - get a lot more RAM and you have a decent chance at a good burn.
Regards,
Dave

Is there a faster hard drive available for the 1.83Ghz Dual Core MacMini?

Is there a faster hard drive available for the 1.83Ghz Dual Core MacMini? Since this is the slowest component of the whole system is there a way to upgrade to something faster (possibly a 7200RPM drive)?
thanks,
Jeff

Ways to make it faster:
1) Be sure you aren't running any Rosetta apps or drivers. Watch out for print drivers. You can use Utilities > Activity Monitor to spot the legacy stuff that uses Rosetta. (Make sure the pop-down menu at the top of the Activity Monitor window says "All Processes", not just "My processes".)
2) Max your RAM to 2 Gigs. You can't go to 3 Gigs since you only have the CoreDuo CPU.
3) Whatever hard drive you use, keep at least one-third of it empty. Obviously this will be easier with a large external firewire drive.
4) 3.5 inch drives will be faster than 2.5 inch drives -- even at the same RPM. So again, external will be the way to go, since Minis can only take 2.5 inch internals.
If you want an external that stacks under the Mini, some examples are here:
http://www.123macmini.com/accessories/guide/enclosures.html
(The NewerTech and WiebeTech models appear to have good reputations, though I have no personal experience with them.)
But again, all of the factors I mention above will affect performance.

Will G4 Dual 450 run Panther?

Panther needs 867. I figure Dual 450=900, But am I right? I have plenty of memory and spare hard drive space.
I am running 10.3.9 and would like to upgrade if I can.
Thanks.

Ummm...
10.3 = Panther. Panther will work on G3s and G4s with built-in USB and no built-in SCSI (PCI SCSI cards don't count). Your G4/450 should work. Exceptions on G4s are ones released with 10.4 or newer:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25517
10.4 = Tiger. Tiger will work on G3s with built-in Firewire. All G4s have built-in Firewire, so they work with Tiger.
10.5 = Leopard. Leopard is the one with the 867 Mhz G4 requirement.
Are you thinking about getting Panther for your G4 or Leopard?
Cause if it is Leopard, no it won't work on your G4.

Poweramac G4 Dual 450 And iLife 05'

Hi. I recently discovered that my family had ilife 05' sitting in a box in the basement. I have a powermac G4 dual 450, and i was wondering how do the programs in ilife 05' run on a dual 450 G4?

tenorsaxman wrote:
Hi. I recently discovered that my family had ilife 05' sitting in a box in the basement. I have a powermac G4 dual 450, and i was wondering how do the programs in ilife 05' run on a dual 450 G4?
Shouldn't be a problem since you are running the latest version of Tiger.

DVD-Ram disks won't mount on Dual 450 - help!

I've got a particular and pressing problem. I'm an audio engineer among other things. I have a lot of files archived temporarily on DVD-Ram disks from my old Dual 450. I have to retrieve some files pronto but suddenly the DVD-Ram disk won't mount. The drive spits out the disk as soon as I insert it. It will mount CDs but not these DVD-Ram disks. Please help. I need to back these up off of thse old disks. But more urgently I have pending sessions that require I get some files from these disks. This happens both under OS 9.1 and 10.2.8 the last revisions of this computer I did. But it used to work until a year or so ago.
I have so far repaired permissions, used Disk Warrior and sprayed around the dusty drive with compressed air. It seems that perhapos a mechanism is loose springing the disk out when it's not immediately recognized as a CD or DVD-R.
Help!

Probably your best bet is to dismantle the drive and try manually cleaning the lenses, which has made a difference for some users.
Other option is to replace the drive with a new one capable of reading (but not necessarily writing) DVD-RAM media. LG-4163B is one such drive, Pioneer DVR-110 can also read DVD-RAM. These drives are under $40 online in the US.

FYI--Compressing times of a dual 450 vs dual 1.25 vs Quad

Just got my quad and after some hoops to jump thru I have fcp 4.5/compressor 1.2 running fine now.....
Now these times are not 100% accurate....off by a few minutes here and there but this is what i've got from going from two g4's dual 450 and dual 1.25 to a G5 Quad.....
This project is 1 hour and 40 minutes with a fair bit of colour correction, a third of it time remapped, and a third of it with a widescreen matte...
dual 450 - just the video compress --approx. 15 hours
dual 1.25 - just video --approx. 10 hours
Quad - just video compress---under 1 hour and 30 minutes....
All I have to say is holy crap batman!!
For me getting the quad now certainly makes a lot of financial sense as I will be able to finish projects a lot faster. I have a back log of about a dozen projects. Can now ship off my slowest mac to a friend who can work for me as well.....:)
The Upgrade is coming in the next week or two and I should see a bit of a difference there as well.....
WOW WOW WOW.......
rob
Dual 450/1.25 G4 1.12/1.75 gigs of ram Mac OS X (10.4.2)

I just use the qmaster startup automator someone created
and shared on this forum a while back.
I put it in my Startup Items, and after a couple of clicks,
and my admin password, its up and runs fine.
My only probelm is I have a bit of an audio problem,
but I've created a work around for that, and all is well
under tiger on my Dual 1DDR.

G4 Dual 450 Shuts Itself Off in Sleep Mode

It's been a long time since I've posted here. Got interested in digital photography and haven't had the time to check these boards like I used to.
Anyway, the title says it all. After my G4 Dual 450 has been in sleep mode a while, it shuts itself off. On startup, occasionally the power button doesn't seem to engage-- you press it and nothing happens. Other times the power button functions normally. Could a dying power switch cause the computer to shut down in sleep mode? This is a third computer in the house and is only used by my wife to play some simple games, including some old OS9 ones, so it'd definitely not want to put much money into repairing it.
One of my wife's favorite games is called Mombasa. It's a tile match shareware game in OS9 with an African theme. Does anyone know if it ever got ported to OSX. I tried a Google search but kept coming up with Mobasa Africa.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
G5 Dual 2.5/TiBook 867; Mac OS X (10.3.9)
G5 Dual 2.5/TiBook 867; Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Page 34 of the manual:
"If something is not working right, restarting or resetting iPhone will likely solve the
problem.
Restart iPhone: Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button until the red slider appears.
Slide your finger across the slider to turn off iPhone. To turn iPhone back on, press and
hold the Sleep/Wake until the Apple logo appears.
Reset iPhone: Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button and the Home button at the
same time for at least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears.
For more troubleshooting suggestions, see Appendix A, “Troubleshooting,” on page 131. "
http://manuals.info.apple.com/enUS/iPhone_UserGuide.pdf

Upgrading Dual 450 Processor

Good day all!
I would like to upgrade the dual 450 processor in my G4(Gigabit Ethernet) to at least a dual 1gig. I know the MDD's don't/can't work, but what about other used apple processors (ie. quicksilver or the like)?
I would like to keep the parts apple and although they are more rare than the MDD's they still pop up now and again.
Are there any issues/limitations?
Many Thanks,
El Jefe de Biosmell

Hi
The CPU upgrades database at www.xlr8yourmac.com is a useful place to look for information on processor upgrades. If you select Apple for the card manufacturer, you'll see reports from people who have used processor daughter cards pulled from other Macs.
Like you say, processor cards pulled from a MDD or FW800 won't work due to architectural differences such as the use of DDR RAM.
I believe it's technically possible to use a processor card pulled from a QuickSilver or Digital Audio, although it involves a lot of effort.
Firstly the bus multiplier on the processor card must be increased to take into account the difference in bus speed, which involves adding and/or removing resistors. For example, a 1GHz processor from a Quicksilver will have the bus multiplier set to 7.5 (7.5 x 133.33MHz = 1GHz). In a Gigabit Ethernet with a 100MHz bus the processor would run at 750MHz, unless the multipler is increased to 10.
Secondly Quicksilver processor cards require a 12 volt feed to one of the screws which secure it to the logic board, although this can be taken from a spare hard drive molex power connector.
Thirdly the Quicksilver processor cards and heat sinks are physically larger and in the Quicksilver are located in a different position on the logic board. When they're installed in a Gigabit Ethernet I think the card interferes with the ATA connector for the optical drive, and the heat sink may prevent the case from closing, unless both are modified.
Fourthly I have a feeling any level 3 cache may not be recognised, as the Gigabit Ethernets and Quicksilvers shipped with different G4 variants.
In short it may be easier just to use a third party upgrade. They're available from the following companies amongst others:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/accelerators/
http://www.gigadesigns.com/
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/cpu_upgrades.html
http://fastmac.com/

Upgrading Power Mac G4, dual 450 Mhz, to use Logic Express 8

I am actually confessing to being a windows studying pc engineer, but am also interested in macs.
My sister has just purchased the G4, 450 Mhz, (dual) i am confused on a few things and am trying to help her!
Basically can anyone help?
The problem is, does dual mean, that there's two processors (i am going to open it later when shes home from work and actually look!) and also, the 450 mhz, is dual, so is that 450 x 2 or just 450? I have looked about this site, and have noticed there is not much room to up the processor speed, but the goal is to get her processor speed up to a minimum of 1.25 Ghz.
Also, she wants to create her own music on a small budget, so cannot afford Logic Pro 7, it is installed on her machine but she has no key? (the guy she bought it from didnt say it needed one!)
So she now purchased Logic Express 8, but when trying to use it, the message is saying to the effect of not large enough processor speed. She has installed it on top of Logic 7, so both are now on there, will that matter?
Is the processor slot the same for the larger Mhz upgrades? if so, which are the best processors to use?
We have all the ram, she bought 1.5 GB, and large hdds, it is just this problem now, and she was in tears last night, due to the fact, every time she asks someone, she gets one step closer, gets hopeful, to find another hitch!
I am really sure i can get it workable for her, but need some apple expertise guys, sorry i know you dont appreciate windows users much, and i would own a mac, just when i can afford one!
All help much appreciated.
semmi

Hi-
Welcome to Discussions!
Sounds like you are dealing with a Gigabit Ethernet model of G4, equipped with dual 450mhz processors. It was a monster in it's day, and still has good use left in it. Problem is, 450mhz, even dual, isn't much by current software requirements.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermacg4/stats/powermac_g4_450dp.html
As for Logic- version 7 would be usable on the machine as is. There is no problem with installing version 8 on the same system. It would be nice for her to be able to get the proper "key" to be able to use v.7. It would definitely be worth pursuing the issue with the seller.
And, as you know, to use v.8, you need more processor. Processors are a relatively easy upgrade. There are many options available, as well. One of the best buys (performance for the money) are 7455 based single processor upgrades from OWC or Fastmac:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEG42M1500/
http://store.fastmac.com/advancedsearchresult.php?keywords=agp
The following are all compatible with the dual 450 G4:
http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?model=158&type=Processor&TI=4655&sh oupgrds=Show+Upgrades
You can check an installation video from the following:
http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/installation.cfm

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