Noise Reduction question for Aperture

I recently purchased my first iMac (after years of being a windows user) and decided to try out Aperture (to use with Photoshop Elements 10 as an outside editor). I am basically an Olympus user and like the way Aperture handles the Olympus ORF RAW files a bit better than Lightroom (which I have used since it was released).
Anyway, I do think that Lightroom did a better job of handling/adjusting the noise in the higher ISO Olympus RAW files than Aperture - again just starting with Aperture.
2 Questions:
(1) Am I missing something or is the only Noise Reduction controls in Aperture the two sliders that come up in the Inspector column?
(2) What is a good plug in for noise reduction that works with Aperture?
Thanks, Steve

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Simple answer is 'I don't know'. But you should bear in mind the following - which is that the advanced version of RX2 is three times the cost of Audition, and I'd say was worth it; some serious effort has gone into it and it works stunningly well. With the best will in the world, Audition's noise reduction simply isn't in that league, and it's unlikely ever to be, I'd say.
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Hello Jon,
I don't thnk that model of fan drive is compatible.
If it looks different. I'd take it back.
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The noise reduction facility in Aperture is basic at best. If you can be patient, we're assured that very soon there's to be a Noise Ninja plug-in for Aperture. This will do a much better job I would expect.

Noise reduction / adjust amplitude not available for mono tracks.

Hi,
If there is a better group or forum for the following questions, please let me know.
I am presently performing the sound editing and mix for a feature using version 3.0.1 of Soundtrack Pro. Though I am mixing using the surround feature, I have chosen to only use the center channel for dialog, and the front right and left speakers for everything else.
Furthermore, the picture editor (who is in a different state) sent me mono dialog tracks (he first sent me location and ADR on the same stereo track, which I could not separate for elimination or proper levels) and stereo tracks for the effects and score. The two problems I am running into are:
1. I am unable to access the noise reduction tools for any of the mono tracks. The individual stereo tracks allow me to do this. What appears to be going on? Is there a workaround?
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No, although ACR v4.1 does apply some baseline noise reduction to many raw files, I do not think that it applies any default NR to TIF files. Lightroom v1.1 does not apply any noise-reduction to TIF or JPG files by default, at least as far as I've noticed, so I believe this will likely carry over to ACR v4.1 as well. Of course you *can* turn the NR sliders up from zero and then it will! In any case, you'd be advised to test that theory yourself just to make sure, before designing a workflow around that assumption...

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I have an audio track from a video project that was recorded on track1 that has a lot of interference from the wirelss mic that was so strong that it crossed over to the idle track2. Track1 has the voice and interference intermixed. Track2 just has the interference. How can I take a noise print from track2 and use it to reduce the corresponding noise on track1? Any ideas?

Bristol87 wrote:
In addition, to make the process more challenging, I am unable to get the audio in the edit frame to play at the same gain as in the multi-track frame. In edit mode I seem to be at a 0db gain whereas the multi-track is playing at over 12 to 20db.
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Does anyone know of a high quality FCP-compatible video noise reduction filter for HD footage? Is there even such a thing?

All of the software that works with this does this... soften the picture.
The controls are precise however, and I've used it with really low light footage to advantage.
Denoise is a video noise reduction filter plugin for FCP google it... render is awfully slooooooo. Color renders faster. free download of demo with big red x thru all footage I think. Lots more controls.
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As of 5 minutes of playing with it I can say it works. It is not perfect, and it does cause a very slight softening of detail (very slight) But it definitely does help to remove a good bit of the aforementioned splotches.

Maybe this is snobbish, if so I apologize. I know that topics go off base sometimes...but this conversation has nothing to do with the topic I started. It should really have been it's own topic (for more than one reason. Maybe others need the info about slide shows, but would not look at this due to it's title).
Except for being about noise reduction it has nothing to do with what I wanted to hear other users comment on: The use of the color noise reduction slider with BxW images in 1.4.1
Again sorry if this is rude of me. I don't belong to too many forums and really don't know what the proper etiquette is here.

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jimjrpxxxxx wrote:
lightroom 5 image looks different in libary mode to develope mode when noise/sharpening is applied
I've not experienced this.
jimjrpxxxxx wrote:
noise/sharpening is applied and the changes do not exprort .
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+PictureCode today released a plug-in version of Noise Ninja for Apple's Aperture photo editing and management software. The plug-in allows Aperture users to employ best-of-breed noise reduction without leaving the Aperture workflow. The official release is available on the download page.+
http://picturecode.com/news.htm#MacIntel
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http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/aperture/noiseninja.html
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Unfortunately Lee_Jay that is at best a hack job and not even close to what
Adobe said they would do. They need to get off the pot with this and get it
done. Otherwise they need to be willing to add a considerable number of
features to LR including Noise Ninja like noise reduction, book printing,
better slideshow options, better web gallery options and so on.
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third parties to do it. Without this Lightroom is only 1/4 the program it
could be. Photoshop without the plug-in support wouldn't be as popular as it
is without it.
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many of this need and demand this.

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Paul

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Hi,
I'm wondering whether will you use the Noise Reduction for Vocal Tracks?
Why i question it?because, most of the Home Recording Studio doesn't have a Proper Room Treatment, So might make the Room Noise recorded into the Vocal track...For that,will you use the Noise Reduction to solve the Noises?
appreciate to the helpful thread you've provide

but if the noise is... a sound that has been recorded in the same track with the
voice... you cannot do anything
Sure you can.
if the room is not separate are there is a ambient noise recorderd such as Phones
rings or Child crying
RX can deal with this too.
you can also try to silence every free space between the vocal parts...
because the sockets of breath voice will be certainly compromised
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