Nomad Jukebox 3 CarMode isn't functioning correct

It works when I use it in a short while. Such as like. I turned it on, by doing what I call a "Battery Reset". I'll explain what that is later. When I turn the car off, it will do the ShutDown mode, and then when I turn it back on within 5~0 minutes, it will reboot when it regains power. But when I keep it shutdown from the turnoff for more than 0 minutes, I have to do a "Battery Reset".
A "Battery Reset" is when I take both batteries out, and then put them back in, to get the player to reboot.
Is it because I have 2 batteries, that it's giving me this problem? I have a PSP Car Charger, which uses 5Vs; same as the regular charger.
(I had to use the Jukebox's charging unit to charge my PSP, when Sony's POS charger failed on me. I gotta say, Creative did a kick-ass job making it.)
Anyway. I can just turn the Jukebox on manually, but that defeats the purpose of Car Mode.
I have the firmware that was released in 2003. Is there a more later firmware than that one?

I have similar problems and it is very disappointing. I have just tried to start using the Jukebox3 it in my car and it really is kind of worthless at the moment. I have found the following:
) With the battery installed in car mode it shuts down properly. When I turn the car on again it locks up and like you I have to remove/reseat the battery to get it to turn on again. I have found that if I turn my key to the ACC position and pause for a second the player doesn't seem to lockup but it is not feasible to remember this every time.
2) If I remove the battery I don't have any lockups but the player doesn't store the current playlist (I guess it uses the last one used when the battery was installed). So, if I turn off the car for a second I have to reselect the music I was playing. Rediculous.
What a waste the "car kit" has turned out to be. I can't see any way around these problems. I have the latest firmware. Did Creative actually test the player with the car kit in an actual car?

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Best regards,Matt

Ok, this worked out accidentally - but happily
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nosmokingbandit wrote:
Probably Windows 7 more than anything else, but the main reason i would like it to behave like a mass storage device is so i can plug it into my car stereo via usb and play music from it. Sure, i could use the auxillary plug, but i find it easier to navigate to a song using my headunit's controls than the Jukebox's.
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Hibbs,
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i experienced the same problem. until 2 weks ago it worked fine. but a visited the support site and found out that all the software was new. so i downloaded the new versions. even the new firmware with the e at the end. i was at the edge to smash my monitor when i found out that after the firmware update the sound was hearing so quiet. after rebuil os and searching 2 hour on the net for the previous firmware release, prior to E release, i solve the sound problem.
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The Jukebox has a tree structured queue list, and individual items can be removed or added. Nothing like that on the touch</LI>
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Play mode available directly from Current Track screen.</LI>
All i need is a microphone to record lectures on the Jukebox. The touch requires an external part to do that.</LI>
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Sleep and wakeup timers on the Jukebox.</LI>
Hardware settings on the Jukebox let me choose between it running like a Beetle Diesel, getting 56 mpg, or a Ferrari Testerozza, and getting single digit mileage.</LI>
No "push me to play everything and screw up your playlist" button on the Jukebox.</LI>
What advantages does the Touch have over my Jukebox?
Higher SNR (98 vs 96 i think, cant find Jukebox spec)</LI>
Smaller</LI>
Better battery life</LI>
Promise of better firmware</LI>
I'm an audiophile-geeky-gadget guy. I own 99.98% the MP3's i have on my PC. NapsterToGo, Y!MU, amongst others are appealing to me, as i refuse to 'stick it to the man' by illegally pirating music. You say only the record industry is getting screwed over - don't forget the musicians have a paycheck too. Hoping for support, just like we got support when DRM first came to be for our JB's, our Zen's and such, i loyally bought your Touch. I even remember the combo beta/stable firmwares.
When a product that you made over fi've years ago has more features, functions, and capabilites than something you've released recently - that's quite a tradgedy.
I remember a bus ride sophmore year in HS, my first MP3 player. The night before i spent hours ripping the songs to the player until 5am. It was cool, people were amazed, i sold them on this "thing" that held every song that they owned. It was both 337 and Chic.
Now people see the Touch and ask, "is that the new iPod?"
I found that sales is like a marriage. You need a first impression, you need your customer to fall in love with the product, and you need to keep them interested as long as possible. Well, after fi've years... i want a divorce. I won't buy an iPod - Apple will lose share because of their control-freak nature on their products. But i won't be buying Creative products anytime soon, or even again.
This message was a bit of humor to begin with - i started fiddling with my JB this evening. Then it got me to thinking, what happened to the creative that used to post new drivers/firmwares/updates every week or so? Where'd they go?
Where's that old Creative Labs that was just that... Creative?
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Message Edited by harikari on 07-26-2005 08:3 PM

harikari wrote:
When i first got my JB, it had battery life comprable to an iPod, about 2 hours. With the ability in later firmwares to tweak HD settings, i could extend it to about 6 with minor inconviences like load time and some gapping.
It depends on the files though. With 28kbit/s MP3s you would get about 4 hours, maybe more with higher capacity batteries.
At the time, the only other portable audio was CD, and think of how many people still have and use CD players. True it was a projectile weapon...
Actually I liked that its form factor was similar to a CD player. It meant getting cases was easy, although I went for the skin case.
And i liked the NiMH batteries, they could be used in anything, and they lasted much, much longer than alkaline. You know why the JB says "Use only Creative NiMH?" One, so you didn't recharge alkaline cells; two, alkaline cells ran the player for <EM>maybe</EM> and hour and a half, to
ps.
They were certainly worried about using the wrong batteries in it, although of course any NiMH batteries, ideally high capacity, work.
Oh, and i booted the JB and Touch (cold boot)... took about the same amount of time. Touch was a 'touch' faster.
Not if you add content to the NJB though. Every time you change content it has to rebuild the library.

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