Non-Apple RAID card with internal drives possible on 2009 model ?
Hello there,
I have decided against the Apple Raid card, since it does not support any other drives than the ones sold through the Apple Store and it also only supports up to 1 TB drives.
My goal is to have 3x 1.5 TB drives in a RAID 5 array.
Does anybody know any hardware Raid 5 capable adapters, that can be used with internal 1.5 TB drives & the early 2009 Mac Pro model ?
Cheers,
Martin
Once upon a time, in a land far far away, ATTO and LSI, and Adaptec mainly owned the storage market for Mac controllers, and even then in those happy times we heard there was Voodoo in the land, and a curse on what were the Rules of SCSI Voodoo, and one had to be careful that a drive really was certified and tested, and one had to insure which firmware version one was talking about, not just any which firmware - and controllers also had to be updated as well.
Signal processing over SCSI with good active termination, cable length, and 160 pins (and cable strands) (and no noise or crosstalk, good insulation).
If one did all of the above, and was careful, you were rewarded with a working storage controller and array and the best possible performance at the time.
And sometimes you could venture off the reservation... a little, and some drivers could patch and work around bugs in firmware or other problems - just as bugs in cpu, boot firmware, and microcode can be patched by the OS kernel. And people would pay for retail drivers, or they would have to rely on the vendor's bundled driver (that may only work on their own drives and no others).
Hard Disk Toolkit, Silverlining and others made name for themselves, amoung others that now have faded into oblivion for most.
But it still exists when you venture beyond consumer and pro-consumer devices and venture to use FC-SCSI, SCSI, and SAS. And taking a chance when you try to use off the shelf SATA storage products and solutions. There are times when OEM drives really are OEM-only and a good thing; and times to avoid.
And there is no list of any kind of successfully used non-Apple drives, though there is word-of-mouth of a few that definitely need to be avoided.
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1) Apple brand cards,
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards, and
3) "Mac Edition" cards ...
... show all the screens, including Boot up screens, Safe Mode, Installer, Recovery, debug screens, and Alt/Option boot screens. At this writing, these choices include:
1) Apple brand cards:
• Apple-firmware 5770, about US$250** works near full speed in every model Mac Pro, Drivers in 10.6.5
• Apple-firmware 5870, about US$450
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• NVIDIA Quadro 5000, about US$2500
3) "Mac Edition" cards -- REQUIRE 10.8.3 or later:
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• EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, about US$600
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If you are Meet ALL of these:
• running 10.8.3 or later AND
• don't care about "no boot screens" etc AND
• can re-wire or otherwise "work out" the power cabling, THEN:
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I've never had a problem with the RAID card (either battery or in operation) except for one thing:
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(1) It will report Bay 3 as being there but Bay 4 as being missing, same situation as is now. Meaning the problem is in the Bay 3 spare drive.
(2) It will report Bay 3 as being missing (despite a 'good' drive being present) and Bay 4 will be the (unattached) spare, and the RAID set will be unviable. Meaning the problem is with the drive bay itself, not whatever drive is plugged into it.
If "Drive carrier removed" is trying to tell me the disk is bad, why do I not see any log messages about it? I suppose a spare that never gets used could go bad from lack of use, but ... no messages at all?
Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
Total Avail
Raidsets Type Drives Size Size Comments
RS1 RAID 5 1,2,4 5.23TB 0.00MB Rebuild: 0% complete
% sudo raidutil list driveinfo
Drives Raidset Size Flags
Bay #1 RS1 2.00TB IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #2 RS1 2.00TB IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #4 RS1 2.00TB IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Event log snippet:
Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:15:19 AM PT
Background task aborted: Task=Rebuild,Scope=DRVGRP,Group=RS1
informational
Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 AM PT
Drive carrier 00:03 removed
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:37 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:28 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:28:34 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:17 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:08 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:11 PM PT
The "RedundancyScrub" command could not be executed. (Invalid request or invalid parameter in the request.)
warning
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:03 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Friday, December 6, 2013 4:56:47 AM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:53:44 PM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Friday, September 6, 2013 10:53:11 PM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Friday, September 6, 2013 3:41:33 PM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Saturday, June 8, 2013 3:41:35 PM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:37:49 AM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:51 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:42 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:08:59 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:32:29 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1
warningPower Pig wrote:
"Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
Total Avail
Raidsets Type Drives Size Size Comments
RS1 RAID 5 1,2,4 5.23TB 0.00MB Rebuild: 0% complete
I was talking about this.
This looks like a RAID 5 setup without the parity to me. I would said it basically a RAID 0.
Also you metioned "I guess that previous spare must really have gone 'bad', despite having never been used! "
I wiped everything out, I selected the 3 disks and clicked on "Create RAID Set" with RAID5 selected and the "Use unassigned drives as spares" option checked. The 3rd disk has always been marked as the spare ever since then. You do not have a choice to create a "RAID5 setup without the parity". If I wanted a RAID0 I would have chosen a RAID0! raidutil now says
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
Total Avail
Raidsets Type Drives Size Size Comments
RS1 RAID 5 1,2,3,4 5.23TB 0.00MB No tasks running
Every time the system would 'lose' Drive 3 on boot, I would just keep rebooting until it was 'found', and then manually re-assign the now-'floating' drive as the spare - and the RAID would rebuild.
There was never a problem until the day that prompted this post - when it would not find Drive 3 no matter what I did. I turned the Mac Pro off for several hours until the drives had all cooled down and it still did not find the drive. I left the machine on but unmounted the degraded volume until I got the new replacement drive.
I really don't understand what you are getting at. It's like you are trying to tell me I set it up as a 4-drive RAID5 with no parity(!) and that I was in grave danger because one of the disks was gone. The actual RAID contents (spread across Drives 1, 2 and 4) were never in danger, unless a 2nd disk had failed while the spare was not seen by the Apple RAID card. I wasn't too worried about that happening. -
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Can anyone walk me through what I'd need to do to set up an early 2008 model Mac Pro with the Apple Raid Card pre-installed and 2 500 gig drives, so that I can have OSX on the first drive and Vista on the second?
I know it defeats the purpose of the raid card, but...
What I've done so far is:
1. Removed drive #2
2. Install and using Raid Utility, add the first drive as a JBOD set/volume
3. After install, shut down the machine
4. Re-add drive #2
5. Restart
6. Use disk utility to add drive #2
I tried to use bootcamp, but it only wants to put windows on the first drive - which won't work because it is RAID.Run Vista off an ATA interface in the 2nd optical drive. There is an SATA 2 ATA adapter.
I think you can boot Vista off some RAID controllers, check out Highpoint RocketRAIDs. Should be able to configure the RR.
Boot Vista off USB is a stretch. -
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Hi,
I've been happily using an Apple 3,1 MacPro with Apple RAID Card installed and connected to 4-500 GB Apple OEM drives. I'd like to redo my setup and replace the Apple drives with bigger drives. Someone said I could only use up to 2 TB drives - is this correct?
Has anyone done this or anything like it using Seagate Drives that are not Apple OEM. Will that work OK or will the Apple RAID Card want to see Apple OEM drives? Apple sells 2TB Seagates, but they cost a lot compared to non-OEM drives, but will cheaper generic Seagate Barracuddas work OK in every way?
Also, after accomplishing this upgrade, I'd like to upgrade this machine to the latest Lion and possibly even Moutain Lion System Software. Any issues perceived?
To reiterate, I'd like to increase my storage to the max in my Early 2008 MacPro3,1 which has the Apple RAID Card utilizing a RAID5. This is spec'd at "4 - 3.0 Gbps Serial ATA (SATA) controllers" but no mention is made of what the MAX Size drives that will be addressed by the RAID Card.
Thanks, and so long for now, TOMI thought it was an oxymoron to be using Apple RAID card, and to be happy.
It does not support drives larger than 2.2TB
Seagate's just seem to be more trouble. Any enterprise drive should do.
If you really really need RAID5 then maybe this card is useful, otherwise, no.,
There is much less than 300MB/sec x 4 in bandwith, they are shared and not independent, but the total is more like 800MB/sec maximum. Less overhead and other factors comes in more like 700MB/sec total max. \
SSDs have come a long way.
Use a PCIe cards to manage 2 x SSDs of 500GB up to 1TB
Use Disk Utility or SoftRAID 4 to manage 2-4 drive mirror or stripe arrays
10.8.4 has a bug that interferes with using 3TB and larger drives, just introduced bug.
This is the FIRST time there have been limits on drive size. And Apple RAID card. Seems the card is not getting updated firmware to address the need for larger drives. For those using SAS it is also a viable candidate.
SSD on its own to hold the system. 4 x 2TB WD Black for data and media storage. 4 x SSDs for scratch and graphic catalogues and media... all depends what your goal and use and type of programs.
No you do not need to use Apple's.
I cannot vouche for or seen someone doing so but I would hope that WD RED series would be suitable. -
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I'm also experiencing intermittent sync problems with a 30" Apple Cinema Display as monitor has numerous vertical lines (anyone having this problem?). I can always fix this by unplugging the monitor cable and reconnecting it (that's why I think it's a sync problem).
I would appreciate any feedback - I'm concerned that the RAID Card drivers which are built into Lion may have an issue...
Thank youI would say you jumped on new OS pre-maturely. Let the consumers play with it, test it if you want, yes as long as it doesn't impact your work or pleasure, if it is possible to setup Lion on a test drive somehow.
I'm surprised you have been using it with 3TB drives, seemed like everyone else either ditched the card or moved the drives to run off a 2nd external controller.
Lion probaby once again changed how network services and devices like NAS talk to each other. The Lion Community is still scrolling so fast I doubt anyone can read more than a fraction of the threads.
There should never ever really be a need to reinstall.
Using Cloning as a Backup Strategy
ditto to doing a Lion install/upgrade over older OS, take the time to read and explore how to setup a clean install of Lion; create a Lion installer (FireWire 800 is perfect place to store it on a small 15GB volume).
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Macintosh Performance Guide: Apple OS X 'Lion' Comments
Macintosh Performance Guide: Protocol for Upgrading to Mac OS X Lion -
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I am considering raiding 4 internal HD in a Mac Pro and I am still using Tiger 10.4.11.
Is there some compatibility issues with Apple Raid Card ?
The card specs say it should run 10.5 to work properly.
Any hints ?
TIAI find mixed results here...
http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso
By putting in MacPro & 10.4, then searching the results for the word raid, though I don't see 10.4.11 specifically, I did notice RAID getting broken at upgrade points, and less than spectacular results... heck, my 10.3.9 SATA I, 2 drive RAID 0 on a QS/2001/G4/DP/1.467 does almost as good as the MacPro results. -
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So I had to buy a new video card (ATI HD 5850 1 GB DDR5) but of course, I lost acces to the boot screen, so I'm wondering how to install Bootcamp, since I don't have acces to the boot screen. In some point of the Bootcamp installation, the Mac re-boots but it freezes or something like that, so I have to turn it off.
For the other hand, I have the original nVidia 8800 GT which came with the Mac Pro, but's fried and it only works on safe mode. So I'm wondering if it's possible to install Bootcamp by using the 8800 GT in safe mode.
After failing on the Bootcamp installation, I have seen that the OSX already created a Bootcamp partition but in FAT 32 and we know it's neede din NTFS or such. So I was wondering if there is a way to sort this out somehow.
I also have another Bootcamp with Win7 in other hard disk, but quite small, so now I have an empty disk of 300GB, I would like to put all the windows stuff there.
So:
1. It seems I cannot use the new video card because of the boot.
2. It seems I cannot use the old video card because it's fried.
3. The Bootcamp partition is already there but in FAT 32.
Any ideas?
Meanwhile, I'm going to try some kind of "ideas".
Thanks in advance!
Ø3Then I google it and I found my thread... Mmmhhh... :/ Anyway, somehow, when Mac boots in order to perform the Win7 installation, after the Apple' chime, a BIG and BLACK pixellated apple apears on a super white background. While it stays, the disk is scratching the surface, then appears an icon of a Folder with an ? on it, The again, the big apple and the scratch, then a Ø symbol ^^ and again, the with the scratching sound and loops all the time there... I think it's because the non apple video card. But how can be possible... Installation is just, you know, a pair of graphics going there, not OpenGL stuff! xD
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