Non destuctive editing

When i have altered an original image in LR and save it to a different folder, the image opened from the original folder comes into LR with the change shown to the one saved in a different folder. is this normal? should i have made a virtual copy before altering and saving the image even though i saved it to a different folder? the original image file appears unaltered in the original folder as a thumbnail until i open it in LR, then after loading, the altered image appears.

Lightroom does not have a "save" command, because it works differently than other editors you may have used.
When you edit a photo in Lightroom, your edits are saved automatically as entires in the Lightroom database. You do not have to perform any action to make this happen; indeed, as I said, there is no "save" command for you to execute. Whenever you want to see your edited photo, you would open Lightroom and the edited photo will be displayed for you.
Thus, if you edit a photo, normally you would not have to Export the changed photo to a folder somewhere (unlike other editors). You can Export the photo, if you need the photo for non-LIghtroom purposes such as web, e-mail or print. However, you could also choose to not Export every photo.
You view the edited photos by opening Lightroom and browsing for your photos in Lightroom. You cannot see the edited photo by looking at the original outside of Lightroom, nor should you be looking for your edited photos outside of Lightroom.
All of this is different than what you have done with other editors, and it may take some time to get used to. My recommendation for now is to NOT export every photo — only those you specifically need outside of Lightroom. My recommendation is that from now on, you do all browsing and photo management from within Lightroom, and not using your operating system.

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Non destuctive edit

I downloaded the 1.5 manual and scanned it quickly, but couldn'd find out the anser to...
Are edits in Waveburner 1.5 (gain, plugins, trim, fades, cut, splice...) destrucive or non destrutive?
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Thank you.
Would it even be possible to save all the markers perhaps also all edit/fade/gain etc operations and replace the audio. An example: Let's say I record a concert. I mix to stereo a 1 h file. Load it in WB set markers for start of all songs. Perhaps adjust gain and some fades and burn a test CD. Invariably I need to return to the mix... only now all times, markers, fades etc are identical to last so I'd just like to replace the audio file, the sequence of samples. Is this possible in WB?
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Can I delete the original photos that my "non-destrucive" edits were made upon?

My iPhoto libarary is way larger than it needs to be and having a way to remove the original files the non-destructive edits were made would give me around 15 GB of space back. Is this possible?

No
iPhoto is a Digital Assett Manager (DAM) and always keeps the original (the digital negative) - if that is not what you want you need to use a different photo manager
LN

Bypassing the non destructive editing for emptying trash

Hey.
I am completey at my wits end over this. I have footage imported to three separate imovie projects. I have to try and combine these on the one timeline. However everytime I try to move anything it tells me I don't have enough memory. Fair enough so I empty the trash but it is restoring no memory to my hard drive or iMovie - From looking this up it seems to be because of the non detructive editing feature but I don't want to go back on any cuts or keep anything I've deleted just in case. I really need the space so I can begin to move clips around again and finish the project. Is there anyway of telling the programme to just empty the trash and ignore the non destructive editing feature?

Then I open a new blank iMovie project. I drag the desired clips to that project and save.
That, too, preserves the total lengths of the underlying media clips.
iMovie 5-6 dropped the ability to trim unwanted parts of the media clips. iMovie 1-4 allowed the user to do this at the expense of a more fragile project structure.
The workaround to trim the media clips is to:
1. export to tape and import back. Pros: preserves separate clips. Cons: clumsy & slow. Occasional dropped frames may make the process lossy.
2. export to Full Quality .dv and import back. Pros: No dropped frames -- truly non-lossy. Faster. Cons: clumsy, you have to manually break clips into scenes after import.
Cons for 1&2: effects are permanently burned into the image.
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Destructive vs. non-destructive editing

If I send a sequence from FCP to a multitrack project in STP it will be a non destructive edit. Once I am in STP I right click on a track and select "Open in Editor" to take out clicks/pops, etc. Does opening this track in the editor from STP now change the edit to a destructive edit? I want to edit everything from my FCP project non-destructively in STP. Does creating a multitrack project in STP and THEN opening a track in the editor in STP change this to a destructive edit or is it still non-destructive?

Hi Brian:
I read the manual to see the difference between destructive and non-destructive editing in STP ...
What is STP?
This forum refers to DVD Studio Pro, the app to author DVDs.
FCP (Final Cut Pro is a non-destructive video edition software.
As far as I know iMovie (Apple entry level video edition software) is a destructive editing tool . . . no matter you can use some tricks to avoid source "destruction" (... I have not used it from some time ago).
Please, clarify your post and you'll get an answer for your problem for sure.

Any way to non-destructively edit in PSE and save edits ?

any way to non-destructively edit in PSE ? or is this only available in CS and LR ....I would like to use Viveza and to be able to save my edits.
thanks

It is the way Apple has chose to deal with external editor edits.... as I have wrote below in various other threads so no one else has to talk to someone for over two hours on the same thing....
Okay.... so after being on the phone with an Apple senior developer for 2 hrs and 29 minutes, the duplicating of originals has been completely intentional.
Basically, in a nutshell, we have lost the ability to revert back to previous versions of a photo. So, KEEP YOUR ORIGINAL!!!!!!!! Once you make an edit in an external editor, there is no going back unless you go back to the original. There is no reversing any edit in an external edit.
It only makes a copy off the original. So, if you make an edit of an edit, you will only have access to the photo where it is after the second edit. The revert to original does not work on external edits.
I gave suggestions on how to make an original automatically hide or be tagged somehow so it can be hidden and also a check before you delete..... I discussed many different ways of going about this (other than reverting to the way '09 worked)... not sure what they will come up with. But, I played around a lot with this new way of editing... and I could give a full scenario of what is happening with your photos as you edit... but, basically, it seems that Apple has met Windows in this '11 upgrade in that if you want to access different steps of a series of edits, you need to make copies as you go.

Non destructive editing

Can any of you go into detail all the premise of non destruction editing in
LR? I mean, in the term in which LR goes about edit file. Does this mean
that the original file can 'never' be affected, changed, etc...? How does
one make sure of this?
I do ensure that I have backups, but I felt that I didn't quite understand
'enough' on Adobe's approach to this.
Any other detail in this matter is much appreciated! Look forward to what
some of you have to say on this! Thanks much!

thanks for the info! <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected].. > You seem to have a "lot" of very basic questions. So, you might be best > spending some time reading the material already provided on the subject > rather than asking other users to do the work for you. See the first > article on the linked page > <a href=http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/ps_pro_primers.html> > > You should find that some of the other articles address questions you've > already asked, etc

Are .jpg images non-destructive editing?

If changes to .jpg's are non-destructive in LR, how can you migrate the changes /w images to another copy of LR on another computer? I've noticed Exporting .jpg's export the changed .jpg's, which must mean that they undergo another round of compression in the copy, no?

I want to straighten up some issues with jpeg files in LR 1.0
1. By importing a jpeg file into LR you will notice that you can use the develop module but certain features are just not as good as they are with real raw files.
White Balance: It's there but without presets and without Kelvin readings. It is still better that everything else I saw so far in other applications to rescue a jpeg file with wrong WB settings applied
Camera Calibration: Only the Embedded Preset is available
Overall the adjustment sliders feel less subtle and precise because there is no additional headroom of 16bit (actually 12bit with most cameras) files compared with the 8bit jpeg offers
2. When you write back changes you have made in LR either by using "Metadata->XMP->Export XMP Metadata to File" in the menu or automatically with the Preference setting "Automatically write changes into XMP" the pixel information of the jpeg is never changed. There is solely an update of the metadata section of the jpeg file. This is what I refer to as 'Non Destructive Editing"
3. You need to use an application which is able to interpret LR adjustments to see changes of the jpeg file you made in the LR develop module. In the moment only LR and Photoshop CS3 beta (using ACR 4.0 ) are able to do that. For all other applications which can display jpeg files the changes are not visible because the pixel information didn't change.
4. If you use the LR Export function in the Library Module you can render a new jpeg file where the changes are reflected in the pixel section of the file. This is of course no longer non-destructive because the original compressed pixel information in the original jpeg file has been decompressed, changed according to the develop settings and then recompressed again in the jpeg format. This is just what you did all the years before with jpeg files.
5. You can also use the LR Export function to export a jpeg file as DNG file. Here it is important to understand that the JPEG file will only be compressed with a lossless algorithm resulting in a file which is roughly 5 times the size of your original file depending on your initial jpeg quality settings. This option allows you to open the file in Bridge/Photoshop CS2 and to see the adjustments there but it does not give you any real advantage compared to 2. if you use CS3 and I don't recommend it in the moment. Perhaps we see here more options in the future.

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I Dislike the Terms "Destructive" and "Non-Destructive" Editing

Some folks in the Photoshop realm use the terms "destructive" and "non-destructive" to describe ways of using Photoshop in which transforms are applied directly to pixel values vs. being applied via layers or smart filters or smart objects or other means.
Do you realize that the term "destructive" is actually mildly offensive to those who know what they're doing and choose to alter their pixel values on purpose?
I understand that teaching new people to use Photoshop in a way that doesn't "destroy" their original image data is generally a good thing, and I'm willing to overlook the use of the term as long as you don't confront me and tell me what I'm doing when I choose to alter pixel values is "wrong" (or when I choose to advise others on doing so).
For that people who claim editing pixel values is "destructive", I offer this one response, which is generally valuable advice, in return:
Never overwrite your original file.
There. The "destruction" has ceased utterly.
It's common sense, really. You might want to use that file for something else in the future.
If you shoot in raw mode with a digital camera, then you actually can't overwrite your raw files. That's a handy side effect, though some don't use raw mode or even start working with digital photographs.
In any case, when you open your image consider getting in the habit of immediately doing File - Save As and creating a .psd or .tif elsewhere, so that you can subsequently do File - Save to save your intermediate results.
There can actually be many advantages to altering pixel values, if you know what you're doing and choose to do so. But sometimes even the most adept Photoshop user might find that a given step created a monster; that's okay, there's a multi-step History palette for going back. I normally set mine to keep a deep history, to give me a safety net if I DO do something wrong, though I tend to use it rarely.
And for those who would tout the disadvantages to editing "destructively", there can be huge disadvantages to doing it "non-destructively" as well... Accumulating a large number of layers slows things down and can use a lot of RAM... With downsized zooms the mixing can yield posterization that isn't really there, or gee whiz, just TRY finding a computer fast enough to use smart filters in a meaningful way. Just the concept of layers, if one hasn't worked out how layer data is combined in one's own mind, can be daunting to a new person!
So I ask that you please stop saying that the "only" or "best" way to use Photoshop is to edit "non-destructively". There are folks who feel that is offensive and arrogant. I think the one thing everyone can agree upon is that THERE IS NO ONE OR BEST WAY TO USE PHOTOSHOP!
You go ahead and do your editing your way. I prefer to do "constructive" editing.
Thanks for listening to my rant.
-Noel
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Aegis Kleais wrote:
When you alter image data in a manner that cannot be reverted, you have destroyed it.
Really?
That's one of those things that one is not supposed to question. It just sounds so right!
Problem is, it's insufficient in and of itself, and misleading... It's a rule of thumb that's way too general.
What IS "data" anyway? Arrangement of magnetic spots on a disk? My disk is still whole, so we're not talking about physical destruction here.
One could argue that all the data is all still there in many cases of pixel-value-change editing (e.g., where there has been no resizing). The image file is the same size! Same amount of data.
Upsampling, or making a copy of an image is actually creating more data, not destroying data. Thus there is no general "destruction", but the terms "construction" or "creation" could be used.
But wait, perhaps you're really talking about destroying information, not data... Well...
As it turns out the term "destructive" is still off base. I have altered the information, possibly even adding important information. If I make a copy this is a no brainer. Even if I don't, depending on a person's skill in editing, the altered result could still carry all the original information that was important plus information added by editing, and be quite possibly better for its intended purpose (human consumption) than the image before the edit. That's the goal!
So now we're talking about important information vs. unimportant information. And of course we're talking about fitness for a future purpose.
As with anything, there are multiple ways to get there and multiple ways to interpret the words.
The term "destructive" in my opinion was invented to further someone's agenda.
-Noel

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Non destructive editing in ACR.

Many of the promo videos describe ACR editing as being 'non-destructive', is this meant in the way of not destroying the original file in any way, i.e. leaving in in tact, or that the changes made in ACR are not degrading the newly created image as opposed to editing in Photoshop? Is there any way / any Adobe plans to indicate which edits in Photoshop actually degrade the image, however slightly? Maybe for future Photoshop updates there could be an indicator of which edits would have been better to have been done previously in ACR?

Destructive is the wrong word. It gives negative connotations in cases where what is really happening is pixel values are being changed. This is not always a bad thing!
If you paint your house, do you consider that destructive? Sure, you may be destroying its old look, but isn't that the point?
However, the word seems to have stuck, and I guess we have to use it. Sigh.
Always keep this in mind:
Nothing is EVER truly destructive unless you save over your original file.
With some kinds of files, e.g., camera raw .CR2, .NEF, etc., you simply CAN'T save over the original file. With others, TIFF, JPEG, etc. you can - but no one says you have to!
Make a habit NEVER to save over your original file, and you will never destroy your ability to start over again.
-Noel

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